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no wonder S&T is still on the fringes

Its nice to be back in the Trap.... i ve been delving deep into S&T for the last 6 weeks . What prompted it was the horror of seeing my head go to the RT and up on the backswing and the frustration of not being able to correct that with my old swing method. I think this was the main reason for my lack of consistency . Not getting weight across to the Left i think is a major cause of poor golf for many of us. As the 'head still' is a key requirement of S&T i got into this with the help of the S&T book by the Plummer and Bennet and the many youtube vids by teachers who advocate this methodology. It hasnt been easy . Total adoption of the methodology is required I feel. The posture and backswing are so different and feel weird . The downswing requires very special attention too. But damn it works ! Not always of course, but i can now strike irons much better without any loss of distance . The driver works well too. It is a swing that promotes a draw or push draw as they seem to call it There are some weird bits , like opening the face slightly so as to allow the path to start right before the draw kicks in . I have seen some vids that instruct how to get the fade but i have not got into them . Some bits about achieving the fade are counterintuitive, for me anyway ! . But fundamentally it works and is a nice way to play this very difficult game. The system has been around about 15 years now and the guys who were early adopters are past their prime now. Are there any young players on Tour that use S&T?

thanks gents I will prob look for a set of taper tips.

hmmm well ok then i was hoping for confirmation of taper tip requirement and some shaft model recommendations.

Hi All its been ages since i have posted anything Its nice to be back. One of my iron shafts has broken. R steel shaft with 'Cushin' I love these irons. As there is not much groove wear i am inclined to reshaft the whole set. I am told they take a taper tip shaft. I am looking for a medium weight steel. Would probably be OK with S flex. Could anyone confirm the taper tip requirement and suggest a model/make. Many thanks

i ve had 2 serious goes at this weird swing over a few years. it has some appealing ideas but its so compact that it has no flow its not a swing, more a hit. i dont think Hogan swung anything like this. It buggered my left hip, which has thankfully recovered. the other thing is the teachers of this swing have u doing the most silly drills !! And ive noticed from watching a few aussie tournaments on TV that there is hardly anyone really good using this technique. i think its not for most people. btw i ve gone for the complete opposite type of swing trying to emulate Fred Couples, and thats much more fun :)

Thank you Zipazoid - that works so good :) For me its more like Fredddieeee (backswing).....Coup.....ples (followthough)

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They are not faults just wonderful features. It is interesting that many good players with strong grips actually fade the ball.eg Azinger They just ensure that whatever grip position they start with is maintained throughout the swing. It is the swing path that determines the shape the ball travels and with Fred i think is a slightly more upright (but shallows out brilliantly at the bottom) and slighlty across the line path (maybe becos of open stance) hence the high fade In Freds case if u look at slow mo vids of his hands at and past impact that cuppy left wrist is consistenly there, all the way to the finish. It also partly explains his flying RT elbow at the top - its there becos he maintains the cuppy left wrist. Oddly i dont think his method is harder on the back than any other swing out there. Sure the hips have to clear with any decent powerful swing! There are many reasons other why someone has a bad back.

Yes, but I think it truly is 'outside;. Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz6fLTbDcFI At abt 3 mins he talks abt that backswing . Then there the magical timing !

Hmm its nice ti find this discussion of the Freddy swing. I have spent the last 6 weeks trying to work it out. Why? cause i want to play with a fade and i have always loved the swing. Its a wonderful way to hit the ball. Heres what I have worked out: The strong grip is essential. It is key to the 'outside the line takeaway' and early set and u must maintain it at the top, so giving that cuppy look to the left wrist. His backswing is' arms and shoulder's initially . He then completes it with a massive shoulder turn - so that at the top he is on plane for the first time! The legs (open stance, not much knee bend ) dont do much , just turn in sympathy with that 'arm and shoulder dominated backswing'. He has a pause at the top then begins the down swing with a pretty big hip shift to the left. RT elbow tucks in and then he rips it. Its not natural unless u are Fred but it can be learnt!

Yes, u know there s footage of him on Youtube! I worked out the problem with my swing in that i had 'forgotten' to get my RT elbow tucked as i shifted forwards in the downswing - suddenly i was reminded of a description in that old book from reading it abt 3 decades ago!

After a big search online i am darn sure its - Tommy Armour - How to play Your Best Golf All the Time The copy i had looked different (green) from the editions shown on bookshop websites. Thanks all the same :)

No no not Hogan's Fundamentals. Someone far less famous/ unknown as player , but if it made its way to Malaysia it had to have been quite well known as an instructional guide.

Hi All, many many years ago i was lent a little green paperback with simple illustrations (ala 5 fundamentals) It was either authored by an American or possibly a Scot. I can't find it in the usual lists from Amazon etc ie Not Penick or Boomer . Can anyone help me? It was a great little book. Thanks

gosh its been ages since i started that thread thank u The 19th Hole for responding so positively. must say i have ditched Edwin - was losing the crisp shots , maybe it was poor timing - but as i worked and worked on it i buggered my left hip. seems the set up position and the downswing action put so much stress on my hip. now i am back to a classic swing and enjoy the dynamics and the more flowing back and forth action. dam hip is better but not fully recovered - :(

2 wins before 18, clearly not a foolish decision !

its been a while since i visited The Sand Trap - nice to be back Well 2 weeks ago i watched MM play the Sat and Sun of the Malaysian Open. He really handles himself well - an old head on young shoulders. A great swing, not v long but v straight. Putts beautifully, He holed out from the fairwy on the par 5 10th for eagle, birdied the next and there was no way even Mc Ilroy could catch him. He will win a few majors thats for sure. And I love that outfit of white shirt , green pants, ala Seve, that he seems to wear every Sunday :)

Anyone out there familiar with this nice swing technique ? It is not the same as the one plane swing or the stack and tilt. Edwin is an Aussie. I think the only PGA Tour player using this technique is Pampling. Its a compact rotate-rotate technique that eliminates the shift right and the shift back. It works too!

In my humble opinion, both are 2 plane swings. The guy on top has a better swing, and he is on plane at the top. The guy on the bottom is laid off but does a good job of saving himself (and that's what ultimately matters). Having experimented with the one plane swing I would like to say that it is quite a different biomechanically, although I guess for some people it comes naturally. Generally the posture is different and the swing club and arms are in very different positions at the top of the backswing and at the end of the swing when compared to the two plane swing.

In my humble opinion, both are 2 plane swings. The guy on top has a better swing, and he is on plane at the top. The guy on the bottom is laid off but does a good job of saving himself (and that's what ultimately matters). Having experimented with the one plane swing I would like to say that it is quite a different biomechanically, although I guess for some people it comes naturally. Generally the posture is different and the swing club and arms are in very different positions at the top of the backswing and at the end of the swing when compared to the two plane swing.

Many thanks. I have found that NSAIDs help . I have switched to lighter clubs ie graphite in the irons that dont really sacrifice feel as the swing weight is D2, and this has made a huge difference :)

These couple of months of any kind of crazy golf wise... Having switched to the one plane I must declare that I'm back to the 'modern' two plane I had before. I was struggling for consistency so I probably wasn't doing it right. The other reason was the short game which I believe should be a mini version of the long game. Somehow taking the club back in a sort of' closed position' doesn't work with pitching and chipping. I must haven't seen Jim Hardy's short game video but I have seen Jeff Ritter's videos onYou Tube where he teaches pitching. I find his method quite unnatural compared to the very elegant traditional method of chipping and pitching that we're all kinda used to.

Hi All I have been reading the various replies re tennis elbow with interest. I have quite bad tennis elbow on the left side. This is lateral epicondylitis altho the proper term is extensor tendinosis and probably results from the supinating action of the left forearm at and post impact.( I am a radiologist with interest in sports and musculoskeletal radiology) I will soon be switching to graphite shafts on all my irons (currently Nike ProComboOS with orig steel shafts - TT TX90). Will have to put graphite in my Cleveland wedges too!! I think the weight reduction will help. Does anyone have any opinion re grip sizing? Should i go for a little bigger or smaller than ideal? ( tennis players who suffer this problem are advised to reduce grip size ) Best regards for the New Year.

Hi Guinness, No I am dishing the two plane swing cause i have not been inconsistent all these many years. The one plane is different alright especially what yer body has to do to get the club to the ball. But its nice Putting....now thats another mystery..