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Lol ok man that explanation definitely swayed me.

I just did some looking around and watching these swings from Hogan and Mickelson I see a lot of what you're talking about as far as not a lot of width and the club almost hitting their shoulder. Obviously me losing the grip at the top is gross and will be fixed just help me see why once I do that the swing couldn't be a successful one? Instead of trying to mirror what you have your student doing, high hands and looks like an over 90 degree shaft angle, what I notice in their swings is that their lead arm is across their body close to level with their back shoulder which is what I have been trying to do as it helps me from coming over the top and has simplified my delivery. I could get my hands more vertical and try to look like Cam Champ at the top that would get the shaft away from my shoulder and maybe gain some speed but that just adds more moving pieces and things to time up trying to drop it back into the slot. I'm already easily in the mid 170s for ball speed and ball striking is miles ahead of where I was just a few months ago I just think I need convincing that forcing myself to go from this to that is what's going to get me to where I want to be.

Spent a few hours today in my 10 degree garage I think I made some progress. Did a lot of slow motion swings just trying to get comfortable and feel what I should be doing. As I slowly ramped it up it was harder to keep it where I wanted but its closer so going to keep working it until the season starts. Did this video in 8X slomo instead of the usual 4X I did from the front and dtl then something I haven't put up before is a few full speed swings. Did this with the driver and 7 iron. Also yes I know I waggle a lot lol

I have not been in that thread before I will dive into it today

I've seen that drill I'll do it today I can see how it would be helpful. Its pretty rare for me not to record my swings when I practice I'm usually tinkering with something. Not sure if you meant that by record or actually keep like a log of what I'm working on which I don't really do.

2 days for me when I'm working on something is 5-6 hours of practice so yeah that should be enough time to see something close to progress. I'm barely 2 years in to actually working on what was a completely broken swing with no coaching if you expect people like me to just know how to fix stuff you're sorely mistaken lol it's all trial and error

After you sent that the first time I spent 2 days working on nothing but getting width and not losing the club like that but I got nowhere ended up getting frustrated and moved on. Couldn't find anything close to a feel, contact and club path were all over the place I felt like I was going backwards. Any drill to do or "feel" to go for? See a lot of like yanking the chain down and rotating hard I've just always been handsy so it was a mess when I tried to do it. Thinking about it my back swing is so fast that has to be at least part of why it's so hard because there's so much tension in my transition. I'll try drastically slowing it down tomorrow see if that helps. Been wanting to work on tempo anyway so maybe it'll be a two birds scenario.

That would certainly explain a lot of players but with the distance hunt we've seen in the past couple years to not see anyone anywhere near what is scientifically the ideal launch angle just doesn't add up to me.

I recorded these swings on 1/14 and have been battling youtube to upload it there was something corrupted in the file and eventually just had to go remake the whole thing. Should have just re shot it as I'm already not happy with the swings lol Anyway what we have here in order is driver DTL - driver face on - driver full speed - 3 wood off the tee DTL - hybrid DTL - 5 iron DTL - 7 iron DTL - 7 iron face on - 7 iron full speed - 9 iron Some things I have been working (at the time I recorded these) are: My posture, getting more upright I feel allows me to deliver the clubs, especially woods, on the correct lie angle. Club path I'm desperately trying to get more from the inside. It's getting a little better every day but doesn't feel engrained yet. Getting more compact. My swing still looks long but it feels like I'm only going at like 60% I've shortened up a lot it feels more repeatable and contact is much improved. One thing I'm not sure about I break my wrists very late that is why at the top of my backswing the shaft is well past parallel. I worked for a little bit breaking my wrists earlier to avoid the whippiness at the top but I truly despised the feel and it threw everything off wondering if its something I should worry about.

So I've messed around with this a lot in the past but one thing I just noticed is optimal driver launch angle. According to online sources (trackman PGA tour averages, PGAtour.com stats) the average PGA tour drive is launched at under 11 degrees, with a downward angle of attack, spins around 2700 and only carries 270 yards. The highest on tour is David Hearn who is the only player over 14 degrees and the lowest guys are actually under 8! degrees. Other online sources as well as the optimizer has the optimal launch angle at 17 degrees and the lower the spin the better, 2700 seemed high to me. Just moving that launch angle to 17 and dropping the spin down to 2200, which seems consistently attainable for a tour pro, the carry went up 11 yards. So question is are they really gaining that much more control hitting it lower and spinnier to warrant having an extra club into every hole?

Can someone explain the speed and acceleration profiles to me. I tried watching one of the livestreams where they went into it but it was incredibly dry and my attention span wouldn't allow me to watch the whole thing lol. I assume it's essentially tempo and maximizing speed at impact. I'm familiar with all the other terms and can discern what they mean but these are new to me so just want to clarify.

I don't care if its only simulator golf. It's -1 outside and I'll probably never have another round, real or not, that starts with a 5 especially from 7100. Shame we're at least 2+ months away from stepping on a golf course. I can only hit into a net or putt on a mat for so long thankfully found this sim just about 15 min from my house. Its just a mevo+ but he only charges me $25 and I'm usually in there for close to 3 hours so hard to beat that.

Oh very nice thank you I'll check it out!

I figure if I get everyone on board early enough and can start working on tee times before the season I can pull better deals. I want to say it was Cascades that does groupgolfer deals I played there last year for like $18 so I'll keep my eye on that as well as the golf now app there are usually some pretty cheap deals there. I'm the oldest of the group at 31 so no senior discounts just yet lol

Nice thank you Mines and Pilgrims Run are on my list I'll look into the others! I'm willing to spend the money but sounds like I've got 3 friends going with me this year and some of them are pretty stingy when it comes to spending money so plan is for 7 rounds total with probably 2 of them being over 50$ green fees. I want my whole 4some to go but in order to convince them I know I'll need to make it as convenient and inexpensive as possible. While I would like to go to the west side of the state (I live in the middle of the thumb) talking them into the 3 hour drive will be tough. So I put this together yesterday focusing more around a day at Eagle Eye resort, which is just over an hour away, play there and Hawk Hollow then work down to Jackson and and over to Ann Arbor. Quick math has it at just $646 for 7 rounds of golf and 4 nights of lodging so with food and fuel should be easily under a grand. I could cut that number down by 150 or more going with cheaper motels instead of Airbnbs (the ones I found looked pretty sweet though) and avoiding the night at Eagle Eye for cheaper courses in the Jackson area that I found last year. If I can get all 4 to go I'm going to try to get them to do a little double elimination match play tournament on the trip a-la what No Laying Up did during their latest Tourist Sauce in Michigan. Found a bracket and can be done in 4/5 rounds so having one round a day be towards the competition would encompass the whole trip and I think would be a lot of fun.