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I've been Playing Golf for:​ 3 years

My current handicap index or average score is: H'cap not that relevant, ours are very different to yours. Score around par on a good day at my local course, a few over at the Championship course where I get coaching

My typical ball flight is: pretty straight on a good day, pretty high launch though

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: going ok tbh, just thought I'd post up for interest and to see what other had to say. Never have too much info :)

 


Almost didn't post up, some of you guys really go after the ball pretty hard and my swing looks a bit 'tame' by comparison. Second vid just posted to add sound (first was recorded in an app). Ball flight posted below to give an idea of my 'numbers'. Pretty high for an 8 iron but seems to work for me.

 

 

Videos:

 

adding a bit of sound......

 

 

Ball flight from this sesh. 8 iron in both the vids and launch data. Pretty high launch, more like a 9 iron really. Can hit it lower but a high launch seems to work best for me.

 

 

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Tough to say given the shutter speed, but it appears that a little work on Key #3 (the shaft lines up with your lead shoulder prematurely, before impact) would be helpful.

 

http://purestrike5sk.com/

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Tough to say given the shutter speed, but it appears that a little work on Key #3 (the shaft lines up with your lead shoulder prematurely, before impact) would be helpful.

 

http://purestrike5sk.com/

 

Thanks mate.

 

I've looked at this a bit but find my spin numbers just tend to sky rocket when I add too much forward shaft lean. Those 'suck back' shots look really cool but are largely pointless, I prefer the ball to stop as close to where I land it as possible. Looking on high speed video cameras my hands are a fraction ahead of the ball (any scooping and I wouldn't get the contact on the ball) but it's a close run thing. My only way to get the spin numbers down is to back off on the power but I tend not to commit to the shot as well. My coach has suggested I get my clubs set with what we sometimes call 'tour loft' over here - a couple of degrees less loft than standard irons. May be worth considering?

 

My mum was following Luke Donald round in a tournament not so long ago and she commented on how high he hit the ball. I guess his hands are a bit behind what is considered ideal as well. Maybe I should just learn to live with it....

 

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I've looked at this a bit but find my spin numbers just tend to sky rocket when I add too much forward shaft lean. Those 'suck back' shots look really cool but are largely pointless, I prefer the ball to stop as close to where I land it as possible. Looking on high speed video cameras my hands are a fraction ahead of the ball (any scooping and I wouldn't get the contact on the ball) but it's a close run thing. My only way to get the spin numbers down is to back off on the power but I tend not to commit to the shot as well. My coach has suggested I get my clubs set with what we sometimes call 'tour loft' over here - a couple of degrees less loft than standard irons. May be worth considering?

 

The bits about adding spin only make sense if your AoA increases more than your dynamic loft decreases (assuming other factors like centeredness of contact, clubhead speed, etc. remain similar).

 

In other words (assuming a face/path match up to make the math easier):

1) Dynamic Loft 25°, AoA -1° = Spin Loft 26°

2) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -8° = Spin Loft 28°

3) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -3° = Spin Loft 23°

 

Shot 3 will spin the least. Shot 2 will spin the most.

 

If you're at Shot 1 currently, you have to increase AoA more than you decrease dynamic loft to spin the ball more. That would be rare.

 

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My mum was following Luke Donald round in a tournament not so long ago and she commented on how high he hit the ball. I guess his hands are a bit behind what is considered ideal as well. Maybe I should just learn to live with it....

 

FWIW, that's not the best camera angle. Move it a foot left of square to face-on and it'll look like he has a TON of shaft lean. The point remains:

 

 

 


 

You can play reasonably good golf with a well-timed flip, but I'm not aware of any PGA Tour players who line the shaft up prior to impact with their irons.

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I've looked at this a bit but find my spin numbers just tend to sky rocket when I add too much forward shaft lean. Those 'suck back' shots look really cool but are largely pointless, I prefer the ball to stop as close to where I land it as possible. Looking on high speed video cameras my hands are a fraction ahead of the ball (any scooping and I wouldn't get the contact on the ball) but it's a close run thing. My only way to get the spin numbers down is to back off on the power but I tend not to commit to the shot as well. My coach has suggested I get my clubs set with what we sometimes call 'tour loft' over here - a couple of degrees less loft than standard irons. May be worth considering?

 

The bits about adding spin only make sense if your AoA increases more than your dynamic loft decreases (assuming other factors like centeredness of contact, clubhead speed, etc. remain similar).

 

In other words (assuming a face/path match up to make the math easier):

1) Dynamic Loft 25°, AoA -1° = Spin Loft 26°

2) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -8° = Spin Loft 28°

3) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -3° = Spin Loft 23°

 

Shot 3 will spin the least. Shot 2 will spin the most.

 

If you're at Shot 1 currently, you have to increase AoA more than you decrease dynamic loft to spin the ball more. That would be rare.

 

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Originally Posted by Nosevi View Post
 

My mum was following Luke Donald round in a tournament not so long ago and she commented on how high he hit the ball. I guess his hands are a bit behind what is considered ideal as well. Maybe I should just learn to live with it....

 

FWIW, that's not the best camera angle. Move it a foot left of square to face-on and it'll look like he has a TON of shaft lean. The point remains:

 

 

 


 

You can play reasonably good golf with a well-timed flip, but I'm not aware of any PGA Tour players who line the shaft up prior to impact with their irons.

 

Thanks, I'll look at it :)

 

I only really know what happens to my shots, I practice at the range pretty much every day and use my GC2 almost every time - when I punch it lower, I spin it faster. Take all that you've said, I must be adding something else into the equation. Maybe I naturally hit it harder as I'm striking down on it? Distance is less though but that's due to the higher spin rate, ball speed is about the same.

 

Regarding the Donald thing, sorry little confused - probably just me being dull. You're saying that if you were to look from a little ahead of square it would 'appear' that he has lots of shaft lean (due to the angle between his forearm and club shaft if looking from face on?) Are you saying that would mean he does have more shaft lean or just that he appears to have more shaft lean? Surely it's the latter? My understanding is that Donald's hands are a bit behind average at impact (not behind the ball, just behind the hands of most of his contemporaries), hence a pretty high ball flight.

 

Lee Westwood has a funky little scoop thing going on that does much the same thing, doesn't it? And Rory can sometimes look like he's got a bit of a 'scoop' to his swing, also a very high ball flight. But I take your point that with none of these is it before the ball.

 

Maybe I'm flirting with it a bit. The shots posted were a few weeks back when it was a joyous 2 or 3 degrees C here so distance isn't a snag with 160 yrds carry with an 8 iron in those temps, regardless of the ball flight being a tad high. But into the wind I often wish that it was down a bit generally so I don't have to compensate so much when I need to keep it low. I'll look at what you've said and see what I can come up with, cheers for your time :)

 

p.s. When it says Pro on the site do you mind me asking - are you a touring pro or teaching pro? I know a fair few very good players (I'm coached at our National Academy where our nation team train and a few touring pros also use the facilities). Very few go into the nitty gritty of spin loft vs dynamic loft etc. Our coaches do though. Am I right in assuming teaching pro?

 

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I only really know what happens to my shots, I practice at the range pretty much every day and use my GC2 almost every time - when I punch it lower, I spin it faster. Take all that you've said, I must be adding something else into the equation. Maybe I naturally hit it harder as I'm striking down on it? Distance is less though but that's due to the higher spin rate, ball speed is about the same.

 

Yes, something else is at play there if you're spinning it more.

 

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You're saying that if you were to look from a little ahead of square it would 'appear' that he has lots of shaft lean (due to the angle between his forearm and club shaft if looking from face on?)

 

The other way. The camera is a bit right of directly face-on, which lessens the appearance of shaft lean.

 

It's a matter of a few degrees, though, and not worth discussing - my picture demonstrates that even Luke Donald achieves Key #3 - inline impact - and does not line the shaft up prematurely.

 

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Lee Westwood has a funky little scoop thing going on that does much the same thing, doesn't it?

 

No. Lee has inline impact as well. Remember it's the lead shoulder more than the actual wrist or elbow conditions. Before the ball, yes, that's half of it. The other is that the line doesn't actually involve their grip (strong grips tend to cup slightly while still being inline) and their elbow (Lee in particular), but rather the shaft and then from the butt of the club up to their lead shoulder.

 

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p.s. When it says Pro on the site do you mind me asking - are you a touring pro or teaching pro? I know a fair few very good players (I'm coached at our National Academy where our nation team train and a few touring pros also use the facilities). Very few go into the nitty gritty of spin loft vs dynamic loft etc. Our coaches do though. Am I right in assuming teaching pro?

 

Yes, and Director of Instructor Development, too. I train other instructors as well.

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Yes, and Director of Instructor Development, too. I train other instructors as well.

 

Cool. Had a quick browse round your site, looks interesting.

 

Over here the PGA have instruction pretty much nailed down, there are some other organisations like yours but none have really got off the ground, everyone still thinks you need to be a PGA Pro to be able to teach, I disagree - I've seen some pretty mediocre PGA instructors.

 

That said, my coach is a PGA Pro (head pro at our national training academy - where our elite squads train but open to other players as well) and is very good. Possibly not as technical in some areas as you appear to be but coaches from youngsters up to elite players and tour pros and gets good results. I got my initial handicap about 10 months ago having just played a bit socially for a couple of years previously and he's taken me from there to a 5.1 handicap in the 10 months and it's still dropping quite quickly. As you're probably aware that equates to something like a 1 or a 2 handicap over there due to the archaic way CONGU here calculate our handicaps (when will we catch up????). Sadly, I've just picked up an Achilles injury, hence the hanging on golf sites rather than golf courses, so it's likely to stall for a bit. Time for 6-8 weeks of chipping and putting, to be fair my short game needs the attention :)

 

Thanks again for your time and good luck with the instructing.

 

Pete

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