Originally Posted by iacas
Originally Posted by Nosevi
I've looked at this a bit but find my spin numbers just tend to sky rocket when I add too much forward shaft lean. Those 'suck back' shots look really cool but are largely pointless, I prefer the ball to stop as close to where I land it as possible. Looking on high speed video cameras my hands are a fraction ahead of the ball (any scooping and I wouldn't get the contact on the ball) but it's a close run thing. My only way to get the spin numbers down is to back off on the power but I tend not to commit to the shot as well. My coach has suggested I get my clubs set with what we sometimes call 'tour loft' over here - a couple of degrees less loft than standard irons. May be worth considering?
The bits about adding spin only make sense if your AoA increases more than your dynamic loft decreases (assuming other factors like centeredness of contact, clubhead speed, etc. remain similar).
In other words (assuming a face/path match up to make the math easier):
1) Dynamic Loft 25°, AoA -1° = Spin Loft 26°
2) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -8° = Spin Loft 28°
3) Dynamic Loft 20°, AoA -3° = Spin Loft 23°
Shot 3 will spin the least. Shot 2 will spin the most.
If you're at Shot 1 currently, you have to increase AoA more than you decrease dynamic loft to spin the ball more. That would be rare.
Originally Posted by Nosevi
My mum was following Luke Donald round in a tournament not so long ago and she commented on how high he hit the ball. I guess his hands are a bit behind what is considered ideal as well. Maybe I should just learn to live with it....
FWIW, that's not the best camera angle. Move it a foot left of square to face-on and it'll look like he has a TON of shaft lean. The point remains:
You can play reasonably good golf with a well-timed flip, but I'm not aware of any PGA Tour players who line the shaft up prior to impact with their irons.
Thanks, I'll look at it :)
I only really know what happens to my shots, I practice at the range pretty much every day and use my GC2 almost every time - when I punch it lower, I spin it faster. Take all that you've said, I must be adding something else into the equation. Maybe I naturally hit it harder as I'm striking down on it? Distance is less though but that's due to the higher spin rate, ball speed is about the same.
Regarding the Donald thing, sorry little confused - probably just me being dull. You're saying that if you were to look from a little ahead of square it would 'appear' that he has lots of shaft lean (due to the angle between his forearm and club shaft if looking from face on?) Are you saying that would mean he does have more shaft lean or just that he appears to have more shaft lean? Surely it's the latter? My understanding is that Donald's hands are a bit behind average at impact (not behind the ball, just behind the hands of most of his contemporaries), hence a pretty high ball flight.
Lee Westwood has a funky little scoop thing going on that does much the same thing, doesn't it? And Rory can sometimes look like he's got a bit of a 'scoop' to his swing, also a very high ball flight. But I take your point that with none of these is it before the ball.
Maybe I'm flirting with it a bit. The shots posted were a few weeks back when it was a joyous 2 or 3 degrees C here so distance isn't a snag with 160 yrds carry with an 8 iron in those temps, regardless of the ball flight being a tad high. But into the wind I often wish that it was down a bit generally so I don't have to compensate so much when I need to keep it low. I'll look at what you've said and see what I can come up with, cheers for your time :)
p.s. When it says Pro on the site do you mind me asking - are you a touring pro or teaching pro? I know a fair few very good players (I'm coached at our National Academy where our nation team train and a few touring pros also use the facilities). Very few go into the nitty gritty of spin loft vs dynamic loft etc. Our coaches do though. Am I right in assuming teaching pro?