Stack and Tilt Losing Steam?

[deronsizemore]

I'm sure there are quite a few PGA Tour guys using Stack and Tilt that we've never heard of because they're not usually in contention, but I know Aaron Baddely and Mike Weir are no longer Stack and Tilt advocates and have since went back to their old coaches.

Was this just one of those swing fads that seems to come around every couple years and now is going away?

[eahollis4]

its a reverse pivot

[billm408]

The first person I saw using S&T was Casey Martin back in the late 90's (although it wasn't called that). For him it was a matter of necessity since he couldn't shift weight to his right leg because of his disease and degenerative bone loss. He kept his weight on his left leg throughout his swing and just killed the ball.

I tried it a few times as an experiment, but couldn't understand why you'd swing that way if you were able to make a weight shift. Just seems like a lot of extra effort needed to generate clubhead speed. Just like McLean's uber upper body shift found favor with guys like Curtis Strange, or Moe Norman's wide stance/baseball grip approach, it eventually became a passing fad.

I think over time, players assimilate the best parts of swing phiosophies like that and just incorporate that into their more traditional moves.

[TMO]

I say, quite happily, that I think Stack and Tilt is dead or at least about to die. Hooray.

[RandomRaiderTTU]

I use the stack and tilt. It causes my launch angle to suffer a little bit on drives (10-11*), but it's the only way so far that I've been able to consistently hit the ball square.

I used to hit a lot of fat shots because I couldn't get my weight shifted back correctly. Something about putting that left shoulder over my right foot and then getting the weight shifted back to the left leg in the middle of the swing was throwing me off something terrible.

Since making the change to my swing, I've dropped about 6 shots off my index.

It can die on the PGA tour for all I care..so long as I keep hitting more and more quality shots.

[whip_it_out]

It requires your timing to be so perfect, and nobody's is the majority of the time.

[iacas]

its a reverse pivot

It's not a reverse pivot. The weight never goes backwards.

Also, more generally, I've been told it was originally designed for beginners because if you stay quite centered it's easier to deliver the club back to the ball fairly consistently. My wife's learning it with my instructor, and it had a great impact very quickly. She's not going to ever (likely) be any better than a bogey golfer or anything like that, so a K.I.S.S. approach to golf will work for her, and S&T is fairly KISS and tends to deliver the club to the ball - not fat or thin - fairly easily.

[TMO]

I've been told it was originally designed for beginners because if you stay quite centered it's easier to deliver the club back to the ball fairly consistently.

I will concede that it is probably a good swing for beginners but you have a low ceiling with it.

[deronsizemore]

I say, quite happily, that I think Stack and Tilt is dead or at least about to die. Hooray.

Yeah I think "stack and tilt" as we know it; we won't hear a lot about it much longer, but I think parts of the theory will be around for a while. Mac OGrady was basically using stack and tilt way before it was stack and tilt. I think Andy and Mike just brought it mainstream by presenting it in a way that people could understand (since from what I understand Mac wasn't much on teaching?) coupled with some marketing from Golf Digest, and a few PGA Pros using it and it caught fire.

[flanagan]

20 years ago I remember the Bob Mann (I think) "automatic golf" infomercials (with Lou Holtz no less) and it seemed from what I could tell it was a left-side oriented approach that I had seen written up even many years before that. Is the stack and tilt just a refinement of that approach, which has been around in one form or another for years?

[Scaldy]

I majored in human kinetics (sports science) in University. I learned allot about physics, mechanics and how they relate to sport and how many sports rely on similar principles. The stack and tilt goes against traditional weight transfer. Many other sports rely on this weight transfer (baseball, Hockey, Tennis etc.). This alone causes me to raise an eye brow.

[ApocG10]

I think it fits people who arent looking to excel at the sport. For the 10 times a year golfer, it could be a great swing to learn, but your progress is going to bottom out completely at a certain point.

Cant beat a good old practiced full swing. Its not only more effective, it looks and feels so much better.

[iacas]

I think it fits people who arent looking to excel at the sport. For the 10 times a year golfer, it could be a great swing to learn, but your progress is going to bottom out completely at a certain point.

Since golfers on the PGA Tour are using it, does that mean that's the bottom? If so, I think most people would be happy to take it.

I don't think "Stack and Tilt" is losing steam. I think, like every other small modification to the swing that comes along every so often, it had its moment in the sun and has basically been assimilated into the "general body of knowledge" we have about the golf swing. The truth is we don't see people's heads moving back and forth (Ricky Barnes notwithstanding) like we used to, so the "stack" part of S&T is very much part of the modern/traditional method of teaching. The tilting not so much, but the tilting grew out of a need to keep the head from really moving at all - not even a reduced amount like we see these days.

[rckwd]

I have seen this advertised but have never seen the "swing" that I am aware. Does anyone have a video address of this S&T?

[RCF]

Google Stack and Tilt and you'll find video promos for the swing. This is the most objective I could find.

http://golftipsmag.podbean.com/2008/...tack-and-tilt/