Conceding Putts/Counting Strokes

[AmenCorner]

Having read this thread twice I could not find if the other member of Team B had already completed the hole. If yes, then the concession stands and no penalties. If not, then Team B would lose the hole IF the practise putt would have assisted the other member. A mere info of fastness of the green would not constitute 'assistance', the line of these two putts of Team B would have to have been similar.

I think you have the most brief and accurate post so far.

In match play, I will concede such putts to the other team ALL the time so as to avoid one partner giving another partner a read. My understanding is that they must pick the ball up when conceded. This type of strategy is what makes four-ball match play even more fun than the average game.

[TheLauncher]

IN this case the second player from team B was out of the hole when I conceded the putt for the other player on the team, but team A ahd yet to hole out. The player from team B was about two and a half feet form the cup, and I was about two feet and we were each putting for bogey. I gave him his putt thinking that he would give me mine and the score would be a tie at five on the hole. When he proceeded to miss his while I holed mine, it seemed appropriate to give my team (team A) the point on the hole. From reading here it seems that the score should have been counted as if the player form team B had made the conceded putt.

For further clarification, the league is tow man teams, handicapped, with one best ball score from each team counting on the hole. The net low score on the hole is awarded point and a half for a tie, with one point available for winning the match for a total of 10. This is tow man best ball match play, no?

[mcfc_nick]

what i have always been taught is that if you have you putt conceded but your partner has a chance to shoot lower on the hole for your team then you cannot hole out, but if your team has already finished then you are allowed to hole out!

[Ignorant]

what i have always been taught is that if you have you putt conceded but your partner has a chance to shoot lower on the hole for your team then you cannot hole out, but if your team has already finished then you are allowed to hole out!

Personally I would certainly encourage this kind of practise just to avoid discussions like this thread. Not that the discussion itself would be something to be avoided

[dansensel]

I think You are mixing things pretty bad.

The rule book and the handicap manual give an expample of conceding in stroke play. You are correct that the score is not the one used for the teams score, however, it can be used for the players handicap, so a score has to be recorded.

[Ignorant]

The rule book and the handicap manual give an expample of conceding in stroke play

Where exactly in the RoG is this mentioned? I could not find it. (USGA handicap manual is another story, as I pointed out earlier. Lots of stuff against RoG is to be found there, to be used only on USGA jurastiction area, not elsewhere.)

[dansensel]

Where exactly in the RoG is this mentioned? I could not find it. (USGA handicap manual is another story, as I pointed out earlier. Lots of stuff against RoG is to be found there, to be used only on USGA jurastiction area, not elsewhere.)

USGA Rule Book: Decision 31-7a/1

http://www.usga.org/bookdecision.aspx?id=14315#31-7a/1

[Ignorant]

USGA Rule Book: Decision 31-7a/1

Sorry, this Decision does NOT say that a putt can be conceded in stroke play. Conceding a putt in stroke play is specifically forbidden in the Rules of Golf, Rule 3-2:

3-2. Failure to Hole Out If a competitor fails to hole out at any hole and does not correct his mistake before he makes a stroke on the next teeing ground or, in the case of the last hole of the round, before he leaves the putting green, he is disqualified. Again, USGA handicap manual is one thing, Rules of Golf is another.

[iacas]

Again, USGA handicap manual is one thing, Rules of Golf is another.

That's for a tournament. Tournaments obviously have a slightly different set of rules than playing in a skins game where you can pick up when you're out of a hole and still post a score.

[Fourputt]

2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.

It is very rare that this would be disallowed in match play.

Once the put is conceded, the hole is over for that player, regardless of whether someone else has yet to play. It is only of significance if the partner's subsequent play is assisted by the player in putting out.

[TigerCent]

Golf has A LOT of stupid rules. In USGA or PGA, LPGA play etc. it is important that they are held up perfectly no matter how stupid they seem. One of the great things about playing in fun, or casual tournaments is that you can turn a blind eye to some of the bad ones. Did your opponent sign an incorrect score card? Tell him, fix it and move on, don't disqualify them. Did they accidently tee up 2 inches in front of the markers? Move on...or tell them before they hit it. Did he tap out aftyer you gave him a putt? Who cares, the putt was given and thats that. In casual everyday play the rules do not need to be upheld perfectly. If someone intentionally cheats, by all means it's a penalty, if not, inform them and let it slide...