Obama money.

[Danny Noonan]

My favorite clip, ever:



Obama loves this. He loves the hands out, waiting on him. As they say, this is why they voted for him.

What a sad state we are in when clowns like this have a say.

[NormH3]

My favorite clip, ever:

the problem with our great country is that we treat our elected officials like rock stars. They do what they want, when they want and could give a hoot about their constituants for the most part. We do not hold them accountable. In the interest of full disclosure..I am an independant and these remarks are bi partisan.

[Danny Noonan]

the problem with our great country is that the media treats our elected democrats like rock stars, and the people that elect democrat leaders follow in kind.

Fixed that for you.

I'm independent too. But I don't think a case can be made that Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush were ever treated like rock stars. They were despised by the media. We all know Clinton and Obama got/get rock star treatment. - DN

[Shindig]

Edit to add: there must be a prohibition around here to post links. Sigh. Well, goto Youtube and search for "Obama Money". It will come up.

No, there's just a prohibition against posting links the wrong way. And Erik just bumped the thread a few hours before yours. A brief search for YouTube on the forums would have brought this up, too. Plus, there's that huge YT tag in the posting area that might have been a clue.

Check this out: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/showthr...hlight=Youtube (there's also a prohibition against posting spam links, but unless you're rick rolling us, I don't think your link would count in this category)

But I don't think a case can be made that Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush were ever treated like rock stars. They were despised by the media.

You can't make that case if you don't remember anything between 9/12/2001 and about 2007, when everything the president said was treated as gospel by even the more liberal mainstream outlets.

We all know Clinton and Obama got/get rock star treatment.

Yes, I got to keep hearing about how Clinton destroyed the integrity of the oval office. I heard less about Mick Jagger's sex life than Bill Clinton's. If that's what you mean by rock star treatment. Or his policy proposals being ridiculed, much like Bono's (pretty much rightly) are.

[Danny Noonan]

You can't make that case if you don't remember anything between 9/12/2001 and about 2007, when everything the president said was treated as gospel by even the more liberal mainstream outlets.

What is interesting about this comment is that it is clear that a monumental event changed things and a situation was created where the media heads concluded that they were in a time where they could lose it all if they kept up their usual shenanigans. Also, I'd argue that the media's fear of a backlash from the citizenry didn't last until 2007.

No monumental event created the cushy relationship that Clinton or Obama have had with the media. The bias is obvious, and I find it difficult to think that anyone would want to try to argue against that position. Anyway, the point of this thread wasn't meant to argue the difference in treatment by the media between left and right sided politicians. The point of this thread is the comedy gold those clowns in the line in Detroit have created by virtue of their total ignorance. Obama wants people to be like this. A totality of the circumstances indicates this. - DN

[Shindig]

What is interesting about this comment is that it is clear that a monumental event changed things and a situation was created where the media heads concluded that they were in a time where they could lose it all if they kept up their usual shenanigans. I'd argue that their fear of a backlash from the citizenry didn't last until 2007, either.

While a monumental event has yet to happen

during the Obama presidency, both he and Bill Clinton entered office following a sharp economic downturn. That's a pretty big event. But I don't think the terrorist attack is why the media supported Bush. Most of the media types love large, unaccountable government programs. They like them when they work as advertised and they love them when they don't, especially if there are large repercussions as a result, and accordingly, they're going to love any big-government candidate; for example, every president to occupy the office in my lifetime (Reagan onward).

The bias is obvious, and I find it difficult to think that anyone would want to try to argue against that position.

I'm just surprised that someone who claims to be an independent has a partisan confirmation bias. I don't even say that as a bad thing, for the record. It's just something to be aware of.

The point of this thread is the comedy gold those clowns in the line in Detroit have created by virtue of their total ignorance. Obama wants people to be like this. A totality of the circumstances indicates this.

I haven't seen the video, but I'm curious now. What sort of behavior does Obama want from people that Bush didn't want?

[microcrayfish]

And here I was thinking the inane political threads would stay away for a while. C'mon guys there's still over a year until your mid-term elections, can't we wait a little while before every other topic in the Grill Room is about politics again? Because seriously, if you think anybody is going to change their political views because they read your opinion on the internet you're going to be sorely disappointed.

[Fat Slice]

Thank f****** God I don't have to listen to this s*** on the golf course.

Over and Out.

[Shindig]

And here I was thinking the inane political threads would stay away for a while. C'mon guys there's still over a year until your mid-term elections, can't we wait a little while before every other topic in the Grill Room is about politics again? Because seriously, if you think anybody is going to change their political views because they read your opinion on the internet you're going to be sorely disappointed.

I'm sorry you have to see 'em. It only takes one person biting, and in this case it was me.

Thank f****** God I don't have to listen to this s*** on the golf course.

Absolutely. I'm happy the big three topics rarely pop up on the course itself. I hope no one at my club figures out that the best way to beat me at match play is to ask me a loaded political question.

[NormH3]

Thank f****** God I don't have to listen to this s*** on the golf course.

It's no worse than what you have typed here.

[Lefty-Golfer]

I'm sorry you have to see 'em. It only takes one person biting, and in this case it was me.

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume you considerably left of center at your club...

[mctaylor22]

Hillbilly: "Down here n' Texas Country we shoot der' liberal folk"

-MT

[Danny Noonan]

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume you considerably left of center at your club...

There's always one or two around. Fairly easy to sniff out.

- DN

[Lefty-Golfer]

Ronald Reagan was considered a moderate at most clubs have been to...LOL. I can only tell you that I consider Reagan the greatest President in my life time...and he is viewed as an icon in our Men's Grill area!!


I am actually in the center, maybe even toward the left at my club, example i don't have a major issues with paying for unemployment tax on my staff.... The older guys tell it is because i am to young to be fully developed as of yet..LOL i am 40!! I love that place.

[KillaK]

I personally think politics and golf shouldn't mix - as a liberal one thing I knew picking up this game last year was that most golfers are conservative republicans. The good thing I've found though out on the course is that people usually do not want to talk politics and are just looking to play a relaxing round, which is a good thing.

As to your point though - the previous administration deficit giving away handouts throughout his 8 years - it just so happens that his hand outs were in the form of tax cuts to millionaires, govt contracts to companies like blackwater and haliburton, the prescription drug benefit which was a bonanza to drug companies, etc.

My last point, is that Obama is a corporatist - his bailouts went to wall street and large companies, the insurance reform coming up is looking like its going to net a bundle for insurance companies - if you actually look at his policies - this dude is not a liberal or a progressive - hes a moderate at best.

[Danny Noonan]

As to your point though - the previous administration deficit giving away handouts throughout his 8 years - it just so happens that his hand outs were in the form of tax cuts to millionaires, govt contracts to companies like blackwater and haliburton, the prescription drug benefit which was a bonanza to drug companies, etc.

Why not give breaks to those who reinvest and employ? I'm in favor of that rather than to take money away from such entities to hand to people who will never work and just leach off the system.

...Obama...if you actually look at his policies - this dude is not a liberal or a progressive - hes a moderate at best.

You can't possibly be serious. I mean, come on. Who do you think you are fooling?

- DN

[Lefty-Golfer]

I personally think politics and golf shouldn't mix - as a liberal one thing I knew picking up this game last year was that most golfers are conservative republicans. The good thing I've found though out on the course is that people usually do not want to talk politics and are just looking to play a relaxing round, which is a good thing.

To your last point of BHO being a moderate...I need you submit results of a valid drug test before I enter a conversation on that. I know you don't really mean it, you are just trying 6to sombody upset. Failed!!

To your first point (yea i am a little backward in writing these) The system is kind of simple...take risk, create jobs, collect wealth, rinse and repeat. If the nobody is out there taking chances and creating products there is not economy...it is called capitalism...neat concept. you ought to read up on it. Also lowering the tax rate is not a handout...it is taking less of their money for them to reinvest so the government can take more. It is interesting how it works. Are you aware of how money works? Using randon numbers see if you can follow. Income of 100.00, tax 30 percent = 30 bucks for washington Income of 150.00 tax of 25 percent = 37.50 bucks for washington. See how that works. Shame liberals can't see the forrest through the trees.

[Lefty-Golfer]

Why not give breaks to those who reinvest and employ? I'm in favor of that rather than to take money away from such entities to hand to people who will never work and just leach off the system.

or I just could have quoted you...LOL