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Are forged game improvement irons as forgiving as cast iron game improvement irons? I play the Rac OS 2 but am considering the Mizuno MX 25. Just wanted some input.

Thanks.

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I switched from RAC OS (don't know the number) to Mizuno MX 23's. I can't say that one is more forgiving than the other. My major reason was the feel of the forged irons. I liked the way that it felt when I hit the ball, and I got more feedback on where I hit it. I also found that I swung differently. With the Taylormades I used my hands and arms way too much. With the Mizunos I used more big muscles. Can't say why, but there is a very different feel to the two irons. I would make sure to hit the Mizunos on turf (a bucket or so) to see if they suit you. I literally was sore for the first few weeks of adapting to the Mizunos, but now I swear by them.

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Overall cast GI irons will be more forgiving that Forged GI irons because of the weight that the discretionary weight that the designer can use in the design process. With a Cast Iron there will be much more weight to distribute at the sole and around the perimiter. With that said, I'm currently playing the Wishon 560MC's (Forged GI) and can't believe how many times I've thinned a shot and ended up right in front of the green. They're certainly more forgiving than some of the Cast GI irons I have played. But as a whole, cast would probably win the battle.

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This is an old thread, but with all the questions about forged irons lately (and my own interest in them) I figured I'd bump it to the top.

It would seem to me that some of the more forgiving forged blades would include the MX200, MX950, and MP52 from Mizuno, but beyond that, what forged irons from the last few years would be appropriate for a mid-handicapper and up?

On the flipside, what are some forgiving cast irons that have the buttery feel and excellent sound of a forged iron? Is there such a thing?

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On the flipside, what are some forgiving cast irons that have the buttery feel and excellent sound of a forged iron? Is there such a thing?

The AP1s are pretty high up there. Less so the current models, MUCH more so the ones coming out in a month or so.

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I use the MTF model and will never use any other iron. Minimal offset, forged feel and cavity back weighting. You can also have them build you a complete set for about 1/3 of a Mizuno set.

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I've hit the mx-200 and mp-52 on mizuno demo day and they are both at least equally as forgiving as my rac OS2's. The mx-200 had a somewhat better feel and equal forgiveness while the mp-52 had the great forged feel while still having a reasonable amount of forgiveness for a mid-high handicap like me.

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I think the new mx 300 look great but they don't come in wrong handed. I am considering going to a GI iron because iron play is my weakest part of my game.

I think a good option also is the callaway x20 or 22 tours.

I really don't believe forged irons feel much better. A pured shot with a cast iron feels pretty darn nice. I hit a couple pure with my irons last night that felt incrediable. There is some research out there that concluded you can't tell the differenence.

Brian


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If you want a really nice, forged, cavity back club with a good amount of forgivness take a look at the Adams A4 irons. They set up nicely at address and have a good amount of forgiveness. It is a progressive set, meaning the higher the club, the less offset, allowing you to shape shots rather easily with your scoring irons.

I would also look at the Taylormade 2009 Forged Cavity Backs, look almost identical to the 2005 series.

You might also take a look at the new Nike irons. If you're going the route of starting your set with a 3I, you might want to have a combo series:

3I and 4I in the full cavity, 5I through 7I in the split cavity and 8I-PW in the blade.

Best of luck in your search.

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As far as forged sticks go, I really like the MX-200 irons that a buddy recently bought. They feel awesome and still allow some workability.

Another sweet stick is the Bridgestone Pocket Cavity.....butter and forgiveness. That is "the" club that I wanted when I bought new irons in April....Bridgestone couldn't fit my specs (through the program I was buying them under).

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I second this recommendation. Great forged sticks for a very reasonable price.

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I have had the MP 62's for about 8 months and like them. I went to the store yesterday and hit the 09 burner irons and really liked them too. I have had some issues with my swing lately and tried blaming it on my irons so I thought "that's it I need more forgiving irons". After the lady at the golf store showed me what I was doing wrong I was hitting the Burners flush into the net and they felt really nice. Then I went home and was hitting balls at the range behind my house with the MP 62's. It was like the movie Kill Bill when they were all obsessed with the Hitori Honzo Sword. There are plenty of clubs out there but only one mizuno.IMO there isn't a better feeling in golf then hitting the sweet spot on a Forged Mizuno!


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For what its worth, my ballstriking skills probably border on GI/player cavities, and I've had tremendous success with the MP-57s. They're forgiving and provide tons of feedback. I debabted over the MP-67s when I got mine and I'm glad I settled on the more forgiving of the two sets. For those considering the transition from GIs or looking for forgiving intermediate clubs: don't overlook the MP series.
Driver: Taylormade Tour Burner 9.5° | Fairway Wood: Adams Speedline Fast 10 15° | Irons: Mizuno MP-57 3-PW | Wedges: Cleveland CG11 52° 56° 60° | Putter: Odyssey White Hot XG Rossie

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tn2e, I think I am close to you and I had that dilemma recently. In short I tried many clubs, went through reasonable custom fitting and bought MX-25 at the end.
Well I tried many irons and most of all like MP-52, AP-2 and MX-200.
I had NO problem with ball flight or whatever with the mentioned ones. I do not think you will have either (ever less than me?). Where I want to point your focus is the shaft. Be aware that MX-25 stiff (my choice) produce higher flight than MX-200 standard shaft in reg. So basically if your usual ball flight is high go for MX-200 (if you are close to them) and if your ball flight is relatively lower one go for MX-25. There is not big difference between them in heads and with MX-25 you can save some $.
Also if you need a standard club length clubs – buy MX-25 ; if not buy other because you will not find longer or shorter MX-25. Lie/loft are not a problem to adjust (a bit).
Also I found 4 ir so easier to hit than my previous TA5 from Cleveland (where I kept same in the garage) that I am sorry I did not buy the 3 ir. This is one more point to show you that this kind of irons are Ok for you....

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I think the new mx 300 look great but they don't come in wrong handed. I am considering going to a GI iron because iron play is my weakest part of my game.

Yeah I was bored and hit the MX300 I was really impressed, great looks and performance was top notch I would have to get them bent 1-2 degrees stronger though,

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You may want to check out the Srixon i701 forged irons. They are blowing them out now and can be found for as little as $300 with Dynamic Gold shafts. They seem very comparable to the MX-200 regarding size and sole, etc.

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You may want to check out the Srixon i701 forged irons. They are blowing them out now and can be found for as little as $300 with Dynamic Gold shafts. They seem very comparable to the MX-200 regarding size and sole, etc.

Where? A quick web search shows them for sale at about $800 at several online stores.

In the blue Colts bag:

Driver - FT-5 10°
Hybrids - 4DX 15.5°, 20°
Irons/Wedges - CI-7 4-GW, SW | "Free" Warrior 60° LWPutter - TiffanyBalls - various


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Edwin Watts should have them for $350 (4-PW) and there are some on eBay for $300 from reputable sellers.

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#3 & #4 Machspeed Hybrids
5-PW i701 irons
52 & 58 XFT Wedges
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