Jump to content
Subscribe to the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
Note: This thread is 4939 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

There is widespread agreement about the wisdom of getting fitted versus buying off the rack both in terms of clubs and balls. The surprising part is that the two fittings are done separately. This is surprising for several reasons. First, in driver fitting, it is the combination of the driver, the ball, and the golfer that determines the outcome. It stands to reason that there might be synergies between driver and ball that are possible if these fittings were done together rather than separately. Second, most major OEMs own a ball company, thus it is in their interest to try to harmonize both pieces of equipment to work especially well together. This would create an "ecosystem" in the language of Silicon Valley that would lead to more loyalty among customers. So why doesn't this happen? What are the opportunities for engineering balls that work exceptionally well with the OEMs clubs? Even if the engineering is doubtful, why do we not at least see attempts to advertise in this direction? For instance,, if you are Cleveland/Srixon looking to gain market share, why not design a ball built to be especially capable when paired with ultralight clubs? If you could actually pull this off, it would seem to offer a tremendous business advantage.

I think the engineering abilities to differentiate the products and make a combo solution that improves performance are questionable, but let's assume for a minute it is possible and consider the marketing.  I think it is best to look at this from a broad marketing perspective and understand how the market makes its purchasing decisions and the driving factors for each.

In the example you gave about the SV-speak ecosystem, the buyers are making large capital expenditure decisions and trying to maximize their returns on that investment.   Cisco can provide a better value by selling routers and switches and network management solutions by bundling solutions which have a long life and hence improve the investment by the buyer.   Cisco also benefits by making the switching costs to change out to a competitor to be high; by having an established infrastructure the buyer would have to replace far more if they wanted to replace one part of their ecosystem.   That is, they may lose functionality and performance by switching out a piece (such as swapping out to Juniper routers) because the buyer may also have to replace their network management elements, negating the cost benefits.

In the golf ball market, these are expendable purchases - there is no long term investment benefit.   The clubs are expected to have a fairly short lifetime (probably a few years) and the ball is almost a transient investment, lasting only a few rounds (or perhaps only a few holes!).    Creating a bundling approach without showing a strong cost benefit just wouldn't achieve the advantages.

On the contrary, it would actually likely limit the market more for the product.   Golf companies make a lot of money on the ball side of the business, and to create a ball that is essentially limited to be used only with their own clubs greatly reduces the market size for that ball model.   Their R&D; on that ball now needs to amortized over a much smaller sales base, making it difficult to be cost competitive with that product.

It also takes away one of the marketing tools for the companies by potentially lengthening the product cycle for that ball too much.   Look across any segment of consumer products and you'll see a key marketing approach is "new and improved".   It applies in detergents, televisions, shampoos, etc.     If you had a ball designed for a specific club it makes it difficult to launch a new version in a year or two in an effort to refresh that product in the consumer's mind.

So, on the surface it seems it might be attractive, but I think the market realities are that it would actually limit the business for that combo solution and not succeed in the market.


Note: This thread is 4939 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    PlayBetter
    TourStriker
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • While on vacation in Punta Cana a few weeks ago I played with rental clubs, Mizuno Pro 245's with KBS Tour Lite steel shafts. Surprisingly, I was blown away, not only by the distance, trajectory and dispersion I was getting but also about how soft and buttery they felt. It got me thinking.... IT'S TIME FOR NEW IRONS! Just yesterday, at my local Golf Galaxy, I tested them again side by side with the JPX Forged (recommended by the Mizuno rep who happened to be there) which also felt pretty good. Not as buttery soft as the 245's but they did produce slightly better numbers on off-center hits. Also, I haven't played with forged clubs with steel shafts in 10 years thinking I was getting too old and that I needed the lighter weight but these clubs with that shaft felt really, really good. So that's my long and drawn-out intro to my question: Does anyone here at TST play with either of these clubs and if so, what's your opinion?  
    • Current attendee list (10 confirmed, 1 tentative): @Hardspoon @iacas @bkuehn1952 @billchao @ChetlovesMer @Carl3 @StuM @vasaribm @DaveP043 @dennyjones @klineka (Tentative) I assume we'll have (3) total foursomes for planning purposes...maybe 4.  I'll start to send out some preliminary thoughts on location and courses this week.  
    • By today’s standards that’s certainly true, but they weren’t having any trouble hitting golf balls in 2005 so I’ve equipped myself with what was among the very best equipment around that time for a very reasonable investment. If I get to the point where I feel like I’ve outgrown that stuff, I’ll reward myself with something more current. But for now I don’t need adjustable loft and lie and modern head shape, just a good quality, proven club with a clean club face. For now I’m going to concentrate on the basics. I know you can get more yardage with newer woods, but I don’t care about distance nearly as much as consistency, and you can’t buy that for any price. 
    • Wordle 1,386 3/6 ⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ ⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • Trying to feel bit more external rotation of the trail elbow at A4. I think better than what have ever been able to position it.  Forward lunge at impact still a work in progress. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...