Big hands down move on the turn - advice needed

[Chas]

OK so I'm definitely a 2-planer.  Maybe I'll post a video someday but not today.  When I carefully observe the path of the clubhead to and from the top, and through the contact zone, it is clear that my hands drop down a lot as I bump and turn my hips.  I mean fairly big-time.  I keep a lot of angle between left arm and the shaft on the downswing - my instructor has commented - which is nice, but I think I need to make some adjustments.

I blame Erik and his hip-bump move, which I've adopted perhaps too much .....

[kidding, I'm making much crisper, more ballthenturf contact as a result]

Problem is I think I'm often hitting the ball towards the toe of the club, as well as tending to hit a push (or hook when overcompensating with the hands) due to excessive in-to-out action through the zone.  I hardly ever hit a pull these days - misses are pushes or hooks.

Soooo, do I just make more like Jim Furyk and have my hands higher at the top so that I end up on the proper plane as I come down?  What else should I think about?  I think that I retain a fear of slicing if I feel too "high" at the top - it's only been a decade since I was slicing with the best of them. I've tried standing a tad closer to the ball at address, to hit nearer the middle of the club, but tend to chunk when I do that.  Not good.

Thoughts welcomed.  Erik? (or anyone else of course)

Tx in advance,

Charles.

[Jon Robert]

Here is what I did to correct this when playing around with a 2 plane swing.

Look at someone from the rear when they reach the top. They should have the classic arm triangle.

Then they MIGHT suddenly pull the left elbow into the body and swing around pushing the right hand around. OR OR OR they can maintain this elbow position and pull the entire triangle unit down and shift it left as the entire triangle unit is being moved left in front of the body.  Imagine pulling a tug of war rope toward you favoring the front of you body while  facing away from the golf target.  You would not drive your left elbow into your ribs while shoving your right hand sideways to your ball side. You would be pulling toward your butt (golf target down range side)

Try it right now. Assume the at the top arm triangle.  maintain its shape as you bring it down into the slot. shift it without moving anything else shift sideways toward your front and slide it and along in front of you. The triangle is still facing the rear and your left elbow is still quite out in front of the body not brushing the body like the right elbow is.

This is the opposite of a premature spinning around of the triangle

At some point the triangle must spin around in order to hit the ball.

Doing this to prevent premature spinning around should help stopping hitting on the toe so much. Actually what is happening is that the timing is thrown out of sorts only to the opposite problem. The arms are getting ahead of the torso.  But sometimes over  correction is needed to get things back into sync.

To say it all another way I would say there is too much torso spinning going on and the triangle torso orientation is lost. The triangle arms are lost to to much spin. Consequently the club is too close to the body and hitting on the toe.