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As you can see from my sig I am getting close to eliminating the Nicklaus v18's. They have served me well.

So I figure I will be able to fetch about $200 for these guys.

All I have left to buy(for now) is wedges, and irons, and a 3 wood.

I am looking at many different options. I am going to go for the Titleist vokeys for any wedge needs, but I am still stuck trying to navigate my way through the endless sets of irons.

I like Adams' direction with hybrid integration. I'd even consider bypassing a 3w with the right set.

I am a 20 handicapper. Right now forgiveness above all else. I shoot my current PW over 100 yards with its steel shaft.

Where do I go from here? I don't want to spend much so I am thinking adams which tends to run at good rates or cleveland who dont spend too much paying off pros.

I'd like as many hybrids as possible, especially 4 and below... and like i said with the right set, I wont even buy a 3w.

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LD M-Speed 10.5* Driver
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3W, 3iw, 4iw, 5-S Irons and Wedges Kirk Currie KC4 PutterHome Course:Pajaro Valley Golf Clubwww.pajarovalleygolf.com


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Take a look at the Cleveland CG4's. They are designed for mid-high handicaps but still are fairly workable. They are not too expensive at about $400 for 3-PW. Adams A2 iron set are the same price but feature 2 hybrids instead of the 3 and 4 irons. Taylormade's RAC HT irons don't feature any hybrids but are forgiving and fairly cheap, at around $275-450.
Anyway just take a look around online, then when you have a rough idea of what you want, try to find a place where you can try the irons out.

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Woods: SQ2 15*Irons: VR-Forged CB 4-PWWedges: Vokey SM 54.08 X-Forged PM 60*Putter: White Steel RossieBall: Z-URS


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I just got a set of x-20s about two week ago and I love them. It may just be the fact that I was professionally fitted but they were my favs before I was fitted. I spent two days at a demo weekend and the x-20s stood out to me. The Clevelands CG 4s were also a very nice iron.

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The X-20s are a very good iron, but if you are looking for "maximum" foregiveness and game improvement, check out the Big Berthas. I bought mine about 3 months ago and am very happy with them. I replaced some old Ping i3 clones and I have to say the lack of feel in the Big Berthas took some getting used to. However, the forgiveness and distance you get out of these clubs is well worth it.

For your 3-wood you should check out the new Big Bertha fairway woods. I use my 3-wood much more than my driver. However, the 3-wood is as big as my old driver, so it is a bit intimidating when playing it out of the fairway. However, I have played it out of the fairway and short rough with success.

For your wedges, I would definitely go with the Vokey spin-milled.

Driver: Launcher, 10.5°
Fairway: Big Bertha 2007, 15° & 18°
Hybrid: Rapture, 21° & 24°
Irons: Big Bertha 2006, 5 - PW
Wedges: Vokey, 52° & 56°Putter: White Hot XG, Rossie Ball: HX HotI'm not saying my golf game went bad, but if I grew tomatoes, they'd come up sliced. ~ Lee Trevino


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The X-20s are a very good iron, but if you are looking for "maximum" foregiveness and game improvement, check out the Big Berthas. I bought mine about 3 months ago and am very happy with them. I replaced some old Ping i3 clones and I have to say the lack of feel in the Big Berthas took some getting used to. However, the forgiveness and distance you get out of these clubs is well worth it.

I tried the Big Bertha and they were a super iron. I was looking for the next progression from high game improvement to a just a game improvement iron.

If you are looking for more game improvement iron than the x-20, the big berthas are an excellent choice. Just a side note. The service and attention I got from the callaway van over 3 visits at 2 locations was incredible. I know they are there to help/sell but I think they were more than patient with me. I never felt like I was getting a sales pitch. They also asked many questions about what I was looking to get out of my iron and didn't just throw me into a set.

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