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Since the most important thing I am working on in my golf game currently is hitting accurate approach shots every time from 150 yards and in, I came across a tip (can't remember where I read it).  The tip suggested that if accuracy and good contact are issues, to have a majority of your weight on your left leg at address and instead of having a weight transfer to "post up" on your left leg.  While losing some distance it is supposed to allow for better accuracy and better ball striking.

I've been hitting balls the last few nights and it seems to work with the clubs that I am using this with (PW, 9i, 8i, and sometimes 7i).  What I've found is that it seems easier to have a flat left wrist at impact by posting up.  The ball contact definitely seems better/easier and accuracy seems to be improved.  Since I do not swing that hard with these clubs anyway (I'm more concerned with precision with these clubs versus trying to look macho and muscle a 9 iron 160 yards even though it's not accurate!), it seems to be working.  I do not put all of my weight on the left leg and am careful to make sure that I am maintaining the width of my backswing but as long as I do that it seems to be good.

While I do not struggle with reverse pivoting that much anymore, there was a time where I was doing this a lot and falling out of my golf shot.  This post up move seems like it would be good for anyone that is struggling with their balance?

Thoughts on this?  Anyone try this at all?

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Originally Posted by bjwestner

nothing?  iacas, aren't you a golf instructor?  have you heard of this before?

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Ahhh...you do realize that there are pages of info here about S&T; right?

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Originally Posted by cipher

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Ahhh...you do realize that there are pages of info here about S&T right?

are you talking about stack and tilt?  Based on your comment I am now assuming that "posting up" is part of stack and tilt?

I have not read the stack and tilt book at all.  I see the threads but have not read them because I am just working on my swing and actually having my own swing, which after a year of playing golf I think I finally have my own swing now and I think I know my swing pretty well.  Thus I have been reluctant to dive into the whole stack and tilt thing.  I'm sorry, I did not know what it was about.  My  bad.

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Originally Posted by bjwestner

are you talking about stack and tilt?  Based on your comment I am now assuming that "posting up" is part of stack and tilt?

I have not read the stack and tilt book at all.  I see the threads but have not read them because I am just working on my swing and actually having my own swing, which after a year of playing golf I think I finally have my own swing now and I think I know my swing pretty well.  Thus I have been reluctant to dive into the whole stack and tilt thing.  I'm sorry, I did not know what it was about.  My  bad.

Yep,  It seems like one of the same ideas.  So "Posting Up" on the lead leg or "Feeling" your weight on that side throughout the swing.  Like you said, it can clean up some contact issues for people.  I have not been a fan of it though in the longer clubs for me "personally".  Lots of info here about it if you wish to look at it though.

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Another balance issue has to do with foot contact and weight pressure. Once I get a few holes into a round, I tend to stand mostly on the balls of my feet and start missing shots to the left.

The cure was to have the feet squarely on the ground at address, with shoulder line slightly closer to ball than toe line. This has improved my balance, and encourages better contact with ball. (With me it ends up being "a wash" with distance. I'm not swing as hard, but the square contact ensures more consistent distance.)

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