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The lie angle is the lie angle. It may "play" effectively upright or flat, but the angle is the angle. -
Thinking about the GEARS Curve thread. I know I am going through a bit of a swing change here. I was looking at some of the lie data from GEARS and remembering the QUAD data from Sunday. On most decent swings, I think I am going to be around 1-2 degrees toe down. I can get major toe up if I do the downswing piece wrong, over-bend elbow in the downswing, and use the body. For the most part, I am definitely in that 1-2 degree toe down. I just had my lie angles checked for my 4 iron (61.5 deg), 7 iron (62.5 deg), PW (65 deg). Which is what I ordered, on the number. So, at least Sub70 golf does a good job hitting lie angle numbers. 😁 Though, I did order +1/2" length, which I read makes the club one more degree toe up. So, my 7 iron might be closer to 63.5 degrees. Which probably makes my ideal lie angle closer to 64.5 degrees for a 7 iron. Which also matches close to the Ping web fitting when I plug in my height and arm length. I am a 1/2" length and +3 upright. -
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Yes, I've wondered the same thing about breaking pitches, whether they're sinking or whether they're curving horizontally. If you consider that the plate is a rectangular prism (ignoring the back triangle), a ball could break in over the back corner or clip the front corner before continuing to curve farther away from the strike zone. Both pitches could miss the middle of the plate "planar" (2D) rectangle. I don't think it's anywhere near 6". A ball would have to be moving at a 35° angle to drop 6" over 8.5". That feels like an awfully steep angle. A quick search says a breaking ball moves only 6-12" vertically, and I'm not even sure if that's including the normal drop from gravity. Then of course I remembered this: /site-core/images/statcast-logo-2025.png Statcast Pitch Movement Leaderboard | baseballsavant.com Baseball Savant 6" over 8.5" would be a TON. Basically unheard of. Unless it's an eephus pitch. 😉 No, either way, it shrinks the zone. Whether a ball clips the front of the plate before falling out, or clips the back top of the plate as it drops… it's gonna miss the middle plane of the plate. ABS has given us things like this, though, which are great:
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Day 22 (30 Mar 26) - Worked with the local Christian academy golf team today in their practice session at the course.
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