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That is basically exactly where I am at, $3k is getting into affordable territory for me but the software is absolutely not worth an additional $4k and $7500 is just too much still. IMO there is almost no chance that there is more work going into FSX2020 software than the hardware. I'm absolutely considering doing exactly what you're saying but I'm really hoping Uneekor dials up the competition with the eye mini this fall. John Deere has been incredibly slimy about the whole thing. Farmers are filing lawsuits left and right against them for their software lockouts and shady terms. Its so anti consumer, money grab, and these launch monitors are doing the same type of thing. Foresight is more and more locking you into FSX software and charging a fortune for it. The problem is I can't go buy a GC3 and install my own better software on it. They more or less have a monopoly on it so Instead of making good sim software that can compete on its own, they just make it the only thing you can use. A good consumer friendly company would make a monitor that was more like a game controller that could be used with any software and just spit out data. I think competition will get it there eventually but its gonna be a while.

Something I just noticed is that it looks like the GC3 essentials package comes with FSX Play, which is normally a $500 upgrade from FX2020. There is no mention of FSX Play on the Launch Pro site as far as I can tell. GC3 Demo Blowout Certified Demo Units. We've received and certified a limited number of GC3 demo units, and now you can take advantage of big savings. A full suite of... I just noticed these are available at $6k.

Its certainly how some software licenses work but that doesn't make it a good thing. Its not about wanting more features for free, its about doing whatever the **** I want with something because I own it. Bushnell, Foresight, etc.. build hardware and then lock it down so that you have no choice but to pay for their overpriced and terrible software. Sad that its so normalized now that people will defend it. You look at it as if you can get a cheaper product if you don't want certain features when the reality is they are charging you extra for something the device you paid a lot for can already do. $800 is absolutely insane for a software unlock, only in the Golf industry. IMO it would be more like a car company selling 2 identical cars but artificially limiting your horsepower on one unless you pay a premium and also making it illegal for you to modify the car yourself.

You don't think swinging max speed for 30-50 reps is going to cause hypertrophy? Add that on top of your normal golf and practice, golfers already have muscle imbalances. With such a high force thing I personally wouldn't mess with the protocol. I can't find the video but superspeed guys talk about the why for non dominant swings, it is more optimal for speed gains, improves mobility, and helps prevent injury.

Wow this is super cool! Did you ever get a shaft in it and try putting with it?

IMO dominant side only seems like a bad idea. Speed training is exercise. Would you ever do bicep curls on only your right side?

It isn't the subscription model alone that bugs me. Its the walled garden and artificial limits. Locking out data points like club path and angle of attack from the $99/$400 subscriptions to the $800. Buying the different software and licenses feels to me a bit like going to a used car dealership. It would be interesting to know how much of a profit margin these companies are making on the hardware, and how much they spend on developing their software which all looks like it was built in 2010.

If I'm not mistaken you can get the fully unlocked software on the Launch Pro with 10 courses for $4k. So hardware and software brings it in under the base GC3 by $500 for basically the same thing, but also you shouldn't have to pay tax for the digital software which would be a significant amount. I am holding off at the moment though, Uneekor is supposed to be releasing a new product this fall called the eye mini. Similar to the gc3 that sits next to the ball on the ground at a similar price point, possibly with a better software package. The subscription software move by Bushnell/foresight makes me salty. For that matter the whole sim industry does. Something like foresight locking out the more advanced stats on the lower subscription tiers, its the same f***ing hardware. Or TGC2019 rebranding their xbox game and charging $1000 for it when the best content they have is user generated. Nice to see more competition and lower priced options coming in though.

Anyone used Arccos that can compare to Shot Scope stats?? I just started with Arccos a month ago and it gives some good information, but I don't like that its nearly $160 a year. It also has no social aspect at all (leaderboards seem cool). It has strokes gained stats for driving, approach, short game, and putting, and also further breaks each of those categories down which is cool. While auto shot tracking is nice - the Arccos sensors are massive, flush with my standard grips and occasionally I'll catch it with my hand and it will twist out of the club. Last week I noticed my 52 was missing after the round, I pulled up my shot history and found where I last hit my 52 and went back and found it but still annoying that it came out. The killer arccos feature for me at the moment is that it will overlay the path you walked across the green so that you can set where your first putt was and the flagstick more easily.

Advanced Shot Tracking By the PGA TOUR Next-Generation digital experience of every shot from every player. Pretty good user experience, they even show the ball flight in 3D, and many of the shots have a video highlight immediately viewable.

Yeah it gives a reading on every swing all the way down to 20 mph and I don't know how accurate it is but at least is seems consistent. It reads about the same speed for a full wedge swing for me on golf and baseball settings. Obviously I don't really know how it works but the baseball setting seems to have a lower low end speed but doesn't pick up the higher speeds.

Hey folks thought I should share this with you. I realized today that if you switch your super speed radar to the baseball setting - it will pick up speeds down to 20 mph (whereas normally it is only down to like 45 mph). So now you can at least get a little feedback on your 1/4 1/2 3/4 wedge swings from your living room. This is the radar I'm talking about:

Where I live there isn't great access to a nice grass range. I found a good enough mat range, but after 2 months of hitting off of the mats I'm having a lot of shoulder pain and I'm thinking it may be because of the cheap rubber mats that are just sitting on concrete. I want to buy a strip to hit off of that I can place next to the mat, wondering if anyone has experience with mats like fiberbuilt or true strike and how soft they are? I know some of you guys do a lot of hitting off of mats.

Lol I feel like I'm frustrating some people here. Let me be clear. I'm interested in Aimpoint. If I had unlimited time and money I would do it tomorrow, maybe I still will one day. The main reason I chose not to do it is that I'm already a fairly good putter and felt my money was probably better spent on a driving range card. I spent 30 min or so trying to measure grade with my feet, and I wasn't even close. I figured it would take a lot of practice to get that right for probably like less than 1 putt per round, and even if I could make gains with a lot of practice I felt like I could probably make similar gains just by putting that extra time into my regular putting practice. ❤️

I am not combining them at all, but my wording was maybe confusing. I just want to know if I tested a great AimPoint putter how well would they do on a test of measuring slopes on a green (not making putts). I said well enough to make a putt because assuming a perfect putt there is some room for error.

Right, because this entire post wasn't asking for data so I could make a decision on where to spend my limited golf budget. The post is titled "Is there any non anecdotal aimpoint data?" and nearly every single post is "IT WORKS FOR ME, NOTHING WILL CONVINCE YOU!" I just want to know how AimPoint helps someone hole more putts. Looking at the few Tour Pros who use AimPoint they don't seem to be stacked towards the top of SG putting. Why is that? The math part is fine. You don't even need AimPoint clinic to use it. You can stand over a putt that you know is 2% and putt until you make it and that is your 2 finger calibration. Seems pretty simple. My concern is with measuring slope. @iacas if I put you on a green where I knew all the slopes and tested you, what percentage would you be accurate enough to make the putt? How long and how much practice did that take?

I'm just skeptical when someone who spends a bunch of money to take a clinic claims its the greatest thing ever. Especially when they give you no data, and show people completely irrelevant optical illusions to prove why they are point. It smells of a manipulative sales tactic. I could be easily convinced, which is why I posted this thread... someone show me some concrete data and I would probably switch!

To me this is the whole problem with it. You might as well wipe away all of the practice you've done reading greens and start from scratch if its all going to be a feel thing anyways. Learning to guess a 1.7 to a 2 with your feet... good luck with that. Learning to match your arm distance to a stimp for aimpoint express and figure out the stimp with any accuracy, good luck with that. I would be seriously shocked if any of the aimpoint diehards were hitting a very high percentage of slopes within a good enough accuracy to make more putts. Maybe it helps people get in the right vicinity with a putt line, but it isn't going to get you the perfect line. Your money is better spent on other areas of your game unless you are truly terrible at reading greens.

On one hand he is only 2 shots above the last place. On the other hand he is tied with Luke Donald. I feel like if he keeps getting these sponsors exemptions he will eventually post something decent, and it would be a pretty cool story for him to make a cut. It's a good example of how far scratch golfers are from tour players.

Here is my first few weeks, these are my maximum speeds recorded with or without the step. Awesome! This is with 3 days a week. It is still doesn't yet transfer over to hitting a ball. My average with a ball tends to be around 114 right now, but after I go through the training I am able to hit 118 repeatedly and as high as 122 w/ a ball. On a day where I hit driver without first using the sticks I start and stay around the 114 number. Another nice thing is I hit the ball a lot straighter immediately after doing the training.

You've putt that to the test? And you sure can make some but can you make more putts that way? I guess it could keep you from something that you see and subconsciously try to adjust.

I don't like the Jordan Spieth thing at all. I don't get how you could possibly hit a putt on line when you aren't watching the ball, but if it works it works. A drill I like for practicing hitting a spot is to lay down 2 balls in a fairly flat spot on the green 2-3 feet from each other and play billiards golf with them. So you hit your first ball into the second ball, and you want to try to make the second ball travel as straight as you possibly can. Practice different putt power, but always move the ball to within a couple feet.

Its possible that I'm being a bit optimistic at exactly 200 yards :P

Does anyone use game golf by tapping on your android phone? Apparently this works and it sounds more interesting to me than a dedicated device. Wondering what the drawbacks are. And a follow up, does anyone have an extra set of tags for sale?! :P

That was my thought too for the most part minus the driver carry distance chart which seems pretty significant. My current ball, Vice Pro Plus, comes in 13 yards shorter than the MTB-x, thats a whole club shorter approach! I think that is enough that I will at least give them a try.