JackLee

Your reading comprehension is not so good, or my memory is not so good. I cannot rememeber saying "all the pros do it". The only way anyone is going to believe this is to buy it and try it, but you do need to have at least average reading comprehension. But for those who don't, there is a money back gaurantee. However, I don't care what you do. I have just been trying to help those who are willing to accept help. I get no financial benefit from this instruction. I don't even know the author, and I have decided I am not helping the author by talking about his instruction on a forum where there are "know it all idiots" posting. BTW, my lower body does lead my down and through swing perfectly, but again, that is a result, not something I think about. If I thought about it, it would have no chance of being perfect. I'm gone now, and I doubt that I will ever post on this forum again. So, just keep on searching. I just put "golf swing" in on Google and got 14,800,000 hits. Try one. You might get lucky. Hey Erik, sorry about getting off topic here. Bye now.

Yes, you can hit good shots with a flip, if it's not too early. I was a flipper until May, 2008. I hit a few good shots with that swing, but I was shooting in the high 90s. I like the swing I have now much better, and my scores too.

You're a 5.1 cap and you are a flipper. Congratulations, that must be very difficult. I don't have any before video, and after video would not prove anything. A master key swing just looks like many of the pros. It's what's in the players head that counts, and you cannot see that. BTW, the clubhead does not pass my hands until the shaft is almost horizontal to the ground in my follow through. But that's a result, not something I think about. Hey Erik, I'm on topic here, but no one believes me. They've all bought into the notion that it takes years to develop a good golf swing. What a crock!

Hey Erik, I'm just trying to help people, but it's probably a waste of my time. I think most players who are struggling will not believe that there is an easy way to swing a golf club that instructors are not telling them about. Of course, most instructors may not even know about it. That's bad for the players, but great for the instructors. The instructors can keep getting their cut of the multi-million dollar golf swing instruction pie. If you delete or change this, then you will have confirmed my present opinion of you.

If the clubhead passes your hands before or through impact, then you have flipped. The cause is an arm swing that gets ahead of your body movements. You get to the release and your body is not in position to allow you to maintain extension and swing through with a flat lead wrist that is facing your swing path. Then you have three choices. 1. You can flip the clubhead forward with your hands to hit the ball with something close to a square clubface. 2. You can close the clubface. 3. You can leave the clubface open. From choices 2. and 3. you should understand that this same swing fault can be a big contributor to pulls, hooks, pushes, and slices. The solution is to swing the club with your body and hands, not your arms and hands. Body and arms is also called a body powered swing. This is not something new. All really good players have figured out a way to pull the arms down and through with the correct body movements. I recommend the "golf swing master key" instruction because it is the best, in my opinion, even though the author is an old man with no letters after his name.

Just do a web search for "golf swing master key". It is so simple, $6.50 for the ebook is probably all you need. If you are strictly a visual learner, the DVD may be helpful. I have been using it for 3 years. That's how I went from a 25 handicap to a 3.

Improper position is correct. It is an improper body position. If the master key instruction is used correctly, you never flip again, and you can make the change in one practice session like I did. However, I have explained that before, so I guess players just ignore it or disagree with it without trying it.

A weight shift does not require a lateral shift. There is always a weight shift because, in the backswing, most of the weight of your arms, hands, and club move to the inside of your trailing foot. Then, in the down and through swing, that weight moves to your lead foot. However, I think, with most good players, there is at least a slight lateral upper spine movement away from the target in the backswing. Then, in the downswing, the upper spine moves forward, but it must not move forward of the address position until after impact.

Yes, and the low point of the arc should be determined at setup, not by a lateral shift while swinging.

There is an optimum plane for each club length, but I think that it is not so critical that being a little over it would cause those results. If you paid for that lesson, I hope you got more than that for your money. The root cause of flipping is an arm swing that gets ahead of your body movements. The golf swing should be body and hands (body powered swing), not arms and hands.

I think it is possible that a grip change can also cause a change in your swing plane/clubhead path without your being aware of it.

"The Golf Swing and Its Master Key Explained" by Noel Thomas I would suggest the eBook + DVD or the Printed Book + DVD. This one actually delivers what it promises, and it does cover all of the basics.

"the real root cause of the problem " In the videos above, you are swinging with your arms and hands, Rory is swinging with his body and hands. What Rory and most other pros do is called a body powered golf swing.

Nothing wrong with using a closed stance and crossing the line. That makes it easy to swing slightly inside-out. I do the same thing. However, you may have a very common problem. It looks like you are swinging that club with your arms and hands. You should be swinging it with your body and hands. Your arms should be passive except for your forearm muscles working your hands. You might want to do a web search for "body powered professional golf swing".

I couldn't get through it either. Irritating. Swing the club back on the same plane that you intend to return it on, unless you have some weird loop burned into your brain and a plus handicap to go with it.

Any golf swing that requires lead arm extension should be body and hands.

Sounds typical, and you have some terminology to learn. You were hitting balls on the range. The words shoot and shot are used in referring to a score on a hole or a score on a 9 or 18 hole round, or for a tournament. I think you need a book for beginners. "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Golf" seems to have the best reviews in that category. You say you are starting lessons on Saturday. I really hope you have a good instructor.

Without a video, I can only guess that you are using some sort of arm swing. Golf clubs should be swung with your body and hands, not arms and hands. Your arms should be passive except for your forearms working your hands. You might want to do a web search for body powered professional golf swing. With a body powered swing and maintaining extension, your hands cannot do any independent dropping at the start of the downswing, because your body movements will be pulling your arms, hands, and club down and through impact.

You could experiment with a closed stance, if you have not already done so. That makes it easier to swing inside-out.

Cutting length off a club without adding weight to the clubhead will make it swing lighter. This may or may not be a problem for a particular player.

When I click to play the video, it just says, "This video is private."

Drivers are usually about the same swingweight as irons, but only because of the extra length. The head weight and the total weight will be lighter. The player can feel that, so his subconscious is telling him that he has to swing harder with that lighter club. Wrong, the extra length alone will increase clubhead speed, and trying to swing harder may cause an outside-in swing. The other problem occurs when the ball is put on a tee, well off the ground. Now the subconscious is saying that you only have to hit that ball forward, that you do not have to swing down. Wrong again. You do need to swing down to create a proper release. Even if you intend to hit the ball on the upswing, you still need to swing the clubhead down through the lowest point of its arc just before impact.

Neutral

I think right handers and left handers should use a neutral or slightly strong grip. I don't really know if most of them do.

For a right hander, using a neutral grip, it would be top left.