RH31

When she picks the ball up off the ground, she appears to be spinning the ball slightly. If you go back to the video she will see her fingers moving as she picks it up and before she puts it down. My guess is she likes to have something on the ball, Titelist or whatever, oriented a certain way.

You also have to be aware the infraction occurred. Example...players club brushes a spec of sand and player didn't know it. Magnified replay may prove otherwise. Yes. I think action should be taken before the start of the next round or playoff or it's moot. Hey if the perpetrator wants to w/d, that's fine. To me, it's not any worse than a foul committed in the final round being spotted the next day.

Right. Don't make mistakes, we're human so you can nix that solution. Maybe only the wrong doer is "punished" as you say, but it can adversely affect the other players, spectators, officials and viewing audience when it plays out like it did. I'm not the kind of guy that revels in all that nonsense, I can see that some do.

I don't understand why so many are hell bent on accusing her of cheating. She's the only one that will ever know if it was on purpose. Labeling someone a cheater on what could've been an honest mistake....they better hope they don't goof up when someone's watching...Karma can be a nasty bitch.

Ummm...because people just found out that you can wait a day or two, call in an infraction at the start of a final round or later and create havoc. Some quackos get a kick out of stuff like that.

Iacas, is that you saying Phil is full of it or someone else's quote?

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3 hours ago, RH31 said: I'm not against the truth, I'm against The TV public having any kind of control over the out come of a tournament. The problem is the truth can't be fairly determined and the consequences fairly presented under the current rules. To clarify, I'm not trying to say they there was no rules infraction. I'm saying that under the current guidelines, if the same infraction were to occur in the final round and officials were notified and couldn't/wouldn't rule on the infraction before the tournament is deemed "over", then the punishment one receives for a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round infraction is obviously greater than no penalty for a 4th round infraction. So the same infraction, committed later in the tournament, could be "allowed". Not good.

Of course you can see it, it was pointed out to you before hand, you were looking for it. Would a cursory review of it during the telecast have uncovered the infraction? I ask because it seems as though there was only one informant amongst millions of viewers. I'm not against the truth, I'm against The TV public having any kind of control over the out come of a tournament. The problem is the truth can't be fairly determined and the consequences fairly presented under the current rules. If the truth is so important and getting it right is all that matters then why is there a time limit on when video evidence can be brought forward? Why is a rule infraction in round 1 subject to more scrutiny than an infraction on the 18th hole in round 4? Shouldn't we all have time review play of all 4 rounds equally? I mean, a rule infraction in round 1 is just as bad as an infraction in round 4, right? I know your answer, golf isn't fair. As for the DJ incident, I'd hope the PGA would learn maybe they shouldn't let spectators tromp through bunkers that they expect players to play out of.

It doesn't matter what we think. We weren't playing in the tournament. The players competing for the honors and money and livelihood wouldn't have cared.

I'm against information from outside the scope(home viewers) of the tournament influencing scoring/penalties in any way ... I don't see how subjecting players to random microscopic analysis from Joey Cheeto has any positive influence on the game at all. It's not a penalty if players don't see it or call it and that's supposed to be fine. Right? But if slowed down, and replayed over and over, now magnified, ah yes now we have It. That's good??? The timing of the when the tour is notified can be manipulated. A caller could wait days to notify of an infraction and affect numerous players with their lack of timeliness. IMO, just saying golf is unfair is a copout. Some bonehead sitting at home who deliberately waits to call just to create a clusterfrack is a mess just waiting to happen. IF call ins are allowed they need to be addressed before the start of the following round or not at all. That's where I'd draw the line(s). All they had to say was the video in inconclusive, like they do in other sports. I'd bet there isn't a player in that field that would challenge and call for a penalty.

I agree with your sentiment, but it won't work. A simple video review of what Lexi did may not have turned up anything. Heck, we were shown the clip magnified and in slow motion and even then people have different opinions about what transpired. They certainly couldn't/didn't catch such a minor rules infraction in real time review and can't review every situation in slo mo, over and over and over. Then again, in your 45 years of golf, you've never been leading a major tournament professional tournament and marked for a 1-2 foot putt. Big difference in atmosphere, things might not be so clear and easy. We all have our opinions about what went on and how it was handled. I don't know how anybody could think that this situation is good for the game though. Just another black eye for an already struggling sport/game.

Yep! That's him!!! See the other coin 10-12 inches to the right of Lexi's ball? Lexi doesn't get behind her ball to mark it because she doesn't want to get anywhere near her competitors mark or line when marking her own ball. She was trying to be courteous and she screwed up.

Of course it isn't. Cheating is when you knowingly break a rule. The players are human, they know mistakes are made and they don't want to scrutinized down to the millimeter by some cheeto snarfing hacker.

NO, but it's very easy to put your ball back in play in the wrong spot. Have you ever placed your coin to either side, not directly behind the ball, to keep it out of, or not close to, someone's line? If you have, and didn't replace your ball exactly back to the side, just a smidge forward or reward, and you broke the rule. Anybody ever call a competitor for improper replacement of their ball? You know somebody in your group isn't getting it right 100% of the time. You are obligated to call it and protect the field.

Who cares? She accidently moved her ball a fraction of an inch. Why do you think all the players are so dead set against people sending in videos? I'll venture a guess. Players make mistakes all the time and don't get caught. Players have always made mistakes all throughout the history of the game and no players knew or cared enough to make a stink about it. You know why? Because the "cheaters" weren't gaining any advantage from it. If they were, they would've been called out. Another question I have and sorry if it's been asked. How does the LPGA know that video wasn't hacked? I'm not saying it was, just that I doubt they employ video experts that could tell.

I only went back a couple of pages, sorry if this has already been posted. Golf looks bad because it let someone outside of tournament jurisdiction dictate the outcome of a major championship. Imagine how much more ridiculous the LPGA would've looked if the caller/emailer waited until Lexi was on the 18th hole??? She would've finished her round, everyone would've thought she won and ooops, hold on a sec we've just received an email..... It's real simple just stop receiving, reacting, to any outside video information.

I know what is in the groups I play in. If you are a 10hcp, and shoot less than 6-7 over and win most of the money on multiple occasions, you will be an 8 hcp when you play with the group. If you keep shooting lower scores and winning most of the money they'll cut your social or group handicap another shot or two.

I think, If you don't post enough scores to establish a handicap you should accept the handicap your group assigns you....or play with others. A handicap should be the average of your 10 best out of your last 20. Inconsistent golfers(like me) have to accept the fact that they aren't going to be competitive day in and day out. The type of "game" the group plays has a lot to do with who is competitive and who isn't.

I'd probably try to hit driver out to the right, so I'd probably end up in that large bunker. I'm usually OK out of fairway bunkers from 50 yards or more.

I'll take those lucky bounces, lucky hole outs, all day long......

I'm for any governing body in golf, pro or amateur, waking up and realizing slow play damages the growth of the game and doing something about it.

I hate the travelling and the way they carry or palm the ball. I can't watch it!!! As for the rule thing, I'm for just about anything that speeds up play.

Yes. (To all) There is a ton of great info on this site in regards to the 5SK stuff. I haven't tried it because I'm old and can't practice for hours on end anymore. If I was just starting, I'd want to work with an instructor in person who utilizes video. I'd prefer working in person because I want feedback asap. I'd find a pro whose development process I agree with. Take lessons every 2-3 weeks maybe. Practice and play as often as possible. Reps are great if you're doing it right, not so much if you're doing it wrong. Technology in clubs and club fitting have come a long way. Take advantage of Tech(clubs, balls, rangefinder, etc) whenever possible. Work your way up one club a time. May that nice swing with your 7i. Now grab a 6i and put the same swing on it. Again with the solid 7i. Now try the the 5i, same swing as 7i. Back to your money club 7i nice and solid. Now Try hitting the 4i with your 7i swing. The point is the swing is the same, only the club in your hand is changing

Club yardages are a must. I would stick with a standard shot as much as possible. It's nice to know how to work the ball each way, maybe not necessary right now. A consistent swing, consistent solid square contact is important. If you are shooting mid 80's, sometimes 90's, you will need to improve all parts of your game to consistently shoot in the '70's. The better you can get at overall ball striking, the easier it is to score in the '70's. It's also the hardest part of the game to get consistently very good at. You will need to spend most of your time on the full swing. The short game is easier to learn and be consistent at. Good wedge play and putting can save a poor ball striking round. Learn these skills and practice enough to stay good at it. If you are at it 2-3 hours every day, your game should improve. Good luck!