70sSanO
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Sorry, I wasn’t inferring LIV was dumping Koepka. My point is that LIV can’t force Brooks to be the poster child for their tour, or anything else Brooks doesn’t want to do. They have no recourse, if he hangs onto his slimmer lead and wins. Brooks is tied to LIV until after 2025, but he will be talking out of both sides of his mouth. He will probably placate the PGA so he “might” have one more option in 2026. John
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I agree, but Koepka has a great chance of winning. If he does, I doubt he says anything about LIV. But Norman will. Brooks is about Brooks. Being the only LIV player to win a major will allow him to play whatever sides he wants, when he wants. It’s not like LIV will dump the Masters champ he won as a LIV player. John
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And for anyone thinking that this will only impact “elite” golfers, the only issue will be finding a mfg that will produce the highest quality non-conforming golf balls for non-competition events. At my age and game it doesn’t impact me. But for those young bucks out there, there will be a change as it eventually trickles down to local rules. John
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I say let ‘em score. Fans, especially casual ones, love to see scoring. Big risk and bigger reward for length is a lot more fun to watch. John
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Well Jack will be disappointed. So close to checking off the last thing on his bucket list. John
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I’m not going argue, but pre-Tiger golf here we come. It won’t be that bad, since todays players actually know what a gym is. John
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Because if swing speed is the problem then work the problem, not an if/then. John
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I haven't read all of the posts, so I apologize if this has already been posted. If I understand correctly, the premise of the USGA and R&A rule change is based on swing speeds. If that is correct, then don't change the ball, reduce swing speeds. With the technology today, it is so easy to monitor a swing speed. If there is a maximum swing speed for elite (whatever the definition of elite turns out to be), then add weight, adjustable fins, scoops, or ???, to slow down the speed of a driver. Those more familiar with impact of aerodynamics/weight can chime in if this is a doable. Maybe set a max swing speed with a + tolerance, based on technology reading error range. An example would be 125mph max swing speed with +2mph tolerance. "Maybe" allow a single swing exceeding the total allowable speed per round for a time when the golfer wants to really let it go. John
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While it was the Champions Tour, this is probably more typical of the interest in "non-major" golf. Neither LIV nor the PGA can change it. A 20 year old Tiger could/did, but there are no names big enough anymore. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/justin-thomas-tiger-woods-phone-call-fred-couples John
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No oil no golf? John
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I can talk hockey more than football or baseball. The off-season is an excruciating time, but most fan base “sites” are engaged from the draft through world juniors, rookie camp and pre-season. There can be more buzz before a season starts than in the waning weeks of another wait til next year season. This is not, nor will it ever be a fan base site; neither will any other individual (non-location team) sport website be. So it will never have the same buzz. I can’t speak for others, but as the LIV saga has raged on, I’ve found there are a precious few players I would really miss watching if they left. But I enjoy watching the sport. John
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I absolutely agree with you that a lot of people watch and don’t post. That was quite an epic poor judgment meltdown. John
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You are right about LIV. LIV doesn’t need viewership. I would think the PGA, like every other sport, sells broadcast rights that amount to a significant amount of revenue. My point was that even on a golf site like this, there isn’t much buzz about a number of tournaments. I realize this is not a team fan base site, but most team boards have page after page critiquing every play, and cheering or flaming players then coaches and mgmt, during a game. If most golf fans are watching the NFL, does it matter who goes or stays? John
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This does speak volumes about how little interest there is in TV golf. Cantlay's 72nd hole and the decisions he made seemed right out of the amateur hour; regardless of his "playing for 2nd" statement. But there was basically no talk or discussion of the Shriner's or that debacle. The PGA and LIV depend on viewership and if that only means majors and the playoffs, neither one can be in a great position. I understand lacking star names, but if people would rather tune in to see Cooper Rush... John
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I don’t think it matters. While there are definite “stars” on the tour, aside from a handful, the tour has been pretty much a revolving of names. And there will always be a shiny new toy that gets hyped; i.e. Tom Kim. And fan favorite fortunes flip. I remember when Koepka was the big thing, and Homa was struggling. There is so much parity that there may never be another truly dominant player. While the same money might not be there on the PGA Tour, there will always be a nearly endless stream of replacements that can get hot and may capture the hearts of the fans… for a season or two. John
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Maybe he already got the message... https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/08/02/arcis-golf-acquires-six-arizona-golf-courses-mickelson-golf-properties/ John
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At 20 years old, Tom Kim is going to a beast on the tour. John
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I would have to guess that if the field remains at 48, playing less golf events will hold true for many players. Maybe a Suez Ferry Tour in the making. A lot on bunkers. John
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One of the strangest moments on Sunday was Ben Carr going for the green on the 13th after Bennett went OB. I couldn’t believe Wilcox didn’t stop and talk to Carr after Bennett was lying 4 in the rough just off the green. While not a Tin Cup moment, it sure would have been the time for the caddie to implore a wedge-wedge layup and win the hole. John
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I agree with you. I don't have the answers to this. I don't know why the PGAT and not the DPWT was selected since, I believe, both organizations have suspended players. A bit more puzzling with the Stenson situation. I am also not sure of the Premier League situation and why the Saudis didn't pursue any litigation. Part of me thinks that there are certain sports you just don't mess with because the clubs and fanbases will rise up if they feel any threat, especially from a foreign government. I think the PGAT is low hanging fruit and its fanbase will not react as footballer fans might, or even the fans from the birthplace of golf. I can't say. I do feel that recent times have proven that the proper spin and fear has much more of an impact regardless of the reality of the spin. As an example, if the spin was, "The Saudi Govt is going after American golf and American football and baseball are next," you have engaged a much larger and more vocal portion of the population. Plus, the rhetoric is no longer directed at players or LIV, but a silent stakeholder that may not be able to win the social media war. It makes little difference about the validity of the spin, only the fear of the spin. John
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Well you only posted 2 words. If the support for this suit is already acknowledged to be from Saudi Arabia, the PGA Tour needs to stop talking about the players and LIV and start talking about Saudi Arabia in the press. Sports washing only works if you are getting a favorable public and corporate opinion. This has to be spun as the government of Saudi Arabia being a genuine threat to American sports institutions. John
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Really. Greg Norman is the CEO of LIV Golf and as such his statements reflect the owners which is the Saudi PIF. I'm sure it is pretty easy to find Norman's support for the lawsuit. By default his support equals Saudi Arabia's support. It is no different than any other CEO making statements that are related to his/her official capacity. The CEO of Boeing on matters of pending litigation; such as Airbus. Greg Norman's statements on topics unrelated to golf have no bearing. John Edit Added: Even with employees who go and say or do something that is either illegal or highly offensive. There is always a company statement that the actions do not reflect the company values etc. etc.
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One thing I do know is that, depending how this plays out, it could be a PR disaster for the suing players and the Saudis. I am surprised that the Saudis haven’t stepped in and squashed this since it is player (Norman) driven and it is hard to see the sports washing benefit. In the end it will be the Saudi government being party to suing an American (PGA Tour) organization. It could backfire spectacularly. John
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So I guess everything is being run through you and you have already reviewed all the PGA Tour’s internal documents. John
