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From what I can tell, you may still have this issue. It'll let you know on the face what club you have tagged, but I don't think there is any visible indicator for number of strokes. So if you aren't changing a club between strokes, like with the putter, there isn't an actual indication of whether you have already tagged your second/third/fourth?/fifth?! putt yet. The visual indicator just remains on [P] to reference the last tag made was with your putter. Certainly a good cue for everywhere else on the course where you won't often use the same club on consecutive shots, but won't help you out after your first putt on the green. It also doesn't seem like the H4 recognizes a swing. I missed tagging one stroke during my 9 hole round yesterday. I knew it immediately on my review by looking at my scores per hole, so it was definitely easy to identify. But the first hole I was given credit for a 340 yard drive because I apparently didn't tag my second shot. Was easy to add in the editor, had to use rough estimate of location, but it definitely didn't pick up that I had made a swing

So I absolutely don't want to step on any toes here, but wanted to at least start a discussion in advance of next season. Does everyone like the Fantasy format of PGATour.com? Is there a way you would improve it in your ideal world? Not sure if anyone else is familiar with Fantrax, but I've used it for years as a member of a Fantasy Premier League group. It offers a lot of customization to create fantasy sports with a whole lot of flexibility to the format. I started playing with their Fantasy PGA leagues, and there are a lot of unique ways to format it. I set up what I might consider my ideal fantasy golf format, but fully understand what might be ideal to me may not be to others, so thought it could be a good discussion at least. Again, I certainly don't want to step on any toes with this, but I know from earlier in the thread there were some complaints about the PGA Fantasy app at least (Fantrax has a pretty solid app), not sure how everyone feels about the overall format, but would there be any interest in potentially creating something new for next season? Just to kick things off, the format I started tinkering with: 6 players on each team, all 6 score points, no subs. Scoring shown below, but formatted so simply completing holes is likely to add to your score with small points for pars, and increasing values for holes under par. Picking a player that misses the cut would, and should, hurt your overall score for the week. Finishing position is rewarded with 1/10 of the total FedEx Cup points. In my ideal world, rosters are determined by a weekly draft, so each golfer can only be on one team each week. This would require a fairly dedicated group and is less casual, but draft could take place slowly between Monday and Wednesday rather than trying to organize a specific draft time each week. A more casual set up could function more like the current PGA Tour Fantasy model where everyone sets their own team each week, duplicate golfers are ok, but each golfer can only be used X number of times all season. Anyway, back to my original question, this isn't necessarily about trying to adopt my specific format, but I would be interested in discussing if people would be interested in a new format, what others ideal format may look like, and if there is interest in creating something that may utilize a hybrid of those visions for next season? I would love to have something thats a bit more social and engaging in the Fantasy Golf world here.

This article is a few weeks old but relevant to the topic, has some pretty interesting points Will LIV Golf be validated by the World Golf Ranking? It's a thorny question The mechanics of golf’s world ranking has never been a pressing concern. But it is highly relevant today, given LIV Golf's emergence. Highlighting the most relevant statements: For starters, the applicant must be proposed for consideration by an existing tour that is already in the OWGR fold. The Asian Tour, in which LIV has invested hundreds of millions of dollars, will check that box for LIV To be eligible for OWGR points, for instance, a tour must operate at least 10 events a year. Failing this year - application shouldn't be relevant until they play more events next year. Those events must have a minimum purse of $50,000 (LIV clears that bar easily) and an average field size of 75 players. While LIV’s invitational events, including its inaugural tournament outside London earlier this month, are limited to 48 players, its international events will feature 144 competitors, bumping its average field size above 75, the executive said. What are these international events??? Take, for instance, the OWGR requirement that events be a minimum of 54 holes with a cut after 36 holes. LIV events do not have a cut. But the Tour Championship, the WGC-Dell Technologies Match Play and the Hero World Challenge are also cut-free, and they all dole out OWGR points. Match play is a horrible comparison, technically there are cuts every round, everyone does not play the entire event. Tour Championship slightly more relevant, and Hero World Challenge probably the best argument, but these are one-off exceptions and LIV is arguing to circumvent this every single tournament they host. The OWGR requires that a tour provide a pathway for its players onto the full-member tour that is proposing the application. LIV could meet that requirement, the executive said, by guaranteeing that its top five finishers receive an Asian Tour card (whether those players would opt to play on the Asian Tour is another matter) The OWGR also requires that a tour hold a qualifying school before the start of the season or offer a qualifying process into each event. LIV will be able to check that box, the executive said, through a concept it plans to implement within the next few years, after its switch next season to a league format with 48 full-time committed players and 12 committed teams. As part of that concept, the four lowest-ranked players will be relegated and a separate event will be held that will provide a pathway into the league. This could actually be intriguing, when one of their $100 million prize ponies on a multi-year contract gets relegated (I'm looking at you Phil). Another hurdle LIV will need to clear is an OWGR requirement that a tour be in operation for at least a year before its events can be eligible for world-ranking points. And the most relevant immediate point, none of this should matter until next July. But if the 10 event per year thing has to be met first, maybe even later.

Got my first test run using the H4. I had not used any similar device before, so it took some getting used to trying to put it into the shot routine. A couple instances where it kind of disrupted my flow when putting...got lined up, then thought about tagging, then lined up again. Its probably not the reason I missed those putts, but going to take some used to getting that in the routine. One very weird thing happened, I played 9 holes (1-9 on the course), went to my car, and synced the round. It came back as 10 holes played, and 5 additional strokes taken. I scrolled through and found it had given me a 5 on the 18th hole, and had actual shots tagged. The 18th was on the other side of the clubhouse from the 9 holes I played, so I can't imagine where that came from. I was able to remove the shots on the editor, but in the mobile app it stated I still played the hole, scored a -5 zero on the par 5 18th. My score changed from a disappointing +11 through 9, to respectable but very incorrect +6 through 10. When I got home I logged in on the website, and it had correctly adjusted to 9 holes played...probably will wait to do any editing until I'm at a computer for future rounds. It seemed to be very inaccurate about where I was on the green. I definitely tagged all my putts (or at least attempted to), but there were a few holes where it basically said I 2 putted from 1 foot and just put all the marks on top of the pin location. I manually dragged the first putt to a rough area where my approach or chip landed, but surely not quite accurate. I don't know if I didn't tag properly or wasn't getting a good signal, but that was kind of annoying. Plan to play again this weekend for a full 18, good to at least have some idea how to use it and hopefully can develop a better routine to tag without interrupting myself.

To be fair I was adding 2 feet on either side of the hole, not 4 feet on each side....reasonable gimme distance

I'm overdue for a little flair. Have broken 90, and have one lifetime eagle to my name. Hopefully some more to come

Man, while I absolutely see the humor in this, its wild to me the train of thought to get where he was. Basically, "my playing partner can elect to make the hole 4 or 5 feet bigger, and I get to use that giant hole when putting instead of the normal one, and my score with the big hole is completely legit."

You're not supposed to pay a network to broadcast your product, you're supposed to sell your product to a network and receive money for them having the right to air it. But regardless, a couple reasons they may do it this way 1 - A lot of the major networks are already partnered with the PGA Tour in the US, their deal is with CBS, NBC, and ESPN. FOX could be an option, but they opted out of their Golf Media deal with the USGA in 2020 because of scheduling conflicts with the new US Open date that year and their football coverage, and likely wouldn't take a golf broadcast deal that would conflict with any of their football coverage in the fall. 2 - Doing the streaming thing allows them to provide coverage with no commercials. They've done plenty to suggest they're not looking for revenue or profits, especially early on, so commercial free viewing could be enticing to a certain audience.

I'd be willing to bet they still don't think they did anything wrong despite getting caught, they're probably convinced everyone cheated and they're the only ones unfairly punished

We have a ton of deer near me, and can only plant certain flowers that deer don't like to eat. That said they usually eat some of them anyway if we don't treat the area....we use liquid fence deer repellent spray and it helps on plants. I dont know if it would help with sod....you may need a whole lot of it....fair warning it stinks at first so spray it before you go inside if you go that route

Yeah I understand the logistics aren't ideal, but something has to be better than the honor system with money on the line....its had plenty of chances to prove it just doesn't work without accountability

And so it begins

The original story here I'll never understand, because the prize is so unsubstantial that you're basically playing for the pride of winning....why cheat for a trophy that has no value to anyone else? Are you going to look at that trophy with fond memories of how you pulled one over on everyone? But the stories of obvious cheating happening in scrambles are so common. If there is an official tournament with a reasonable prize for winning, it seems like the very least they could do is send an official scorekeeper out with each group to keep things honest, otherwise this seems to happen all the time.

Some people will do anything for a plastic paperweight....

Also got mine, was waiting in the mailbox when we got home from vacation yesterday. Spent the night setting things up, hopefully will have a chance to test things out soon. I joined the leaderboard as well, and also can't see anything on the mobile app, so I'm assuming it's because I haven't played yet. I just finished screwing all the tags into each of my clubs and setting up the My Bag section...just to make sure I'm not missing something silly, there isn't any step to actually sync each tag to the device right? When I actually get onto the course, the tags are already synced and ready to go?

Headlines in UK this morning. Poor Ian 😂 LIV Golf rebel Ian Poulter embarrassed in Scottish Open after winning legal battle to play | Golf | Sport | Express.co.uk IAN POULTER endured a difficult start to this week's Scottish Open. Saudi golf rebel Ian Poulter suffers humiliation at the Scottish Open after eight-over-par round | Daily Mail Online Ian Poulter endured a day to forget on Thursday at the Scottish Open - in a week when he won his legal battle to...

I think its a pretty safe rule of thumb, if you want to know if something is good, don't ask the people who benefit from a positive answer. Don't ask the chef if a restaurant is worth eating at, don't ask a director if their movie is worth seeing, don't ask a golfer receiving millions of dollars if the LIV is a good experience. Of course they think its good, they've already indicated they don't care where the money is coming from, so Pat Perez just got over a million dollars despite failing to break 80 in one of his rounds because his teammates carried him to a pointless team victory. Great experience! Phil Mickelson shot three rounds of 75 or worse, and still gets to keep his $100 million sign on bonus. Great experience! But for the fans....over two-thirds of the field failed to shoot under par in a tournament where the winning score was -13 (over one fewer round, lets not forget).....great experience? Fewer days of golf, fewer hours of golf, no cuts, no pressure to perform well....great experience? At the end of the day, if the consumer of the product isn't having a great experience, it won't last.

No reward for winning a hole by more than one stroke in match play, you could lay up and be on the green in 3 and still be a stroke ahead on the hole in this scenario. The only way you should lose the hole is by making a mistake of your own. They're likely looking at 6 as a best case, smart play says take any danger out of the equation. If they make three fantastic shots for a 5, tip your cap and move on, it wouldn't make the safe play wrong. 40 feet with a good shot? A good shot also clears the bunker if you take dead aim....this would depend on a few other factors to me. How much MORE confident do you feel about hitting the safe area? How good is your partner at lagging a putt from distance? Odds are the answer is to take the bunker out of play, but your opponents are looking at par at the worst, so you need to weigh whether your "safe play" makes par a certainty, or if you're just trading the risk on the second shot with the bunker for different risk later in the hole to get down for par. Depends how big the risk is...if water is in play, then you could be taking one partner out of the hole completely if it doesn't pay off. If the risk is just rough or sand and they could recover, go for it. Obviously the accurate partner can play as they normally would, but I'd just want the power guy to at least be in play so you still have two live balls on the hole.

I realized later that this date was Rocket Mortgage Classic weekend in Detroit and I had planned on attending, not going to make this one

Let's not forget what he said during his initial LIV interview in London "Also, I'm a golfer. I'm not that smart. I try to hit a golf ball into a small hole. Golf is hard enough. "I try to worry about golf, and I'm excited about this week."

British Court is allowing Poulter, Adrian Otaegui, and Justin Harding to play in the Scottish Open despite ban. Penalties have been postponed during the appeal, so not a final decision yet but they can play in the meantime... Three LIV players receive stay of suspensions by DP World Tour and can compete in Scottish Open | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

I love the "sold out" designation. No mention of capacity, no mention of actual attendance show rate, just "we distributed all the tickets we decided to make available." It's easy to sell out an event when you can decide on the fly what the capacity is and give all your tickets away for free. I'm also curious about the language used in their poll...its so easy to skew a poll based on the way questions were asked. Lots of people that have heard of LIV hate the idea, but are aware of it and have tuned into a tournament for a few minutes simply because it's new and it's controversial. Does that count toward a positive mark on their poll? I'd think it would be expected for something like this to have heavier viewership up front and taper off as people lose interest in the controversy

Talor Gooch after his team won the team portion of the LIV tournament. 🙄 “I haven’t played a Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup, but I can’t imagine there’s a whole hell of a lot of difference,” Gooch said in a post-match interview. “This was as cool as it gets. We’ve been saying it all week. The energy is just different, it’s awesome.”

I'm jumped the impulse buy and placed my order for the H4 as well. Appreciate you arranging the discount @iacas