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Playing So Bad….just Want to Quit!
hunterdog replied to hunterdog's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
An update: I haven’t totally quit, yet. I did stop seeing the golf instructor and started trying to figure it out on my own. I am beginning to see some flashes of improvement and am driving and putting pretty good. I think my biggest problem is casting the club - I’m not sure. I was going to set up net in my unheated garage for winter practice but I’m concerned about further ingraining a bad move. Indoor sims around here charge about $50 per hour, maybe I’ll go that route a couple of times a month. Anyway, I haven’t quit yet. -
Playing So Bad….just Want to Quit!
hunterdog replied to hunterdog's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
I have decided to try to play through it. I will put some older clubs into the bag and try to swing away! Winter will be here soon enough! -
I’ve been playing golf for more than 50 years with a few breaks for Army and school. Essentially, I have always played golf. I have decided to begin the work slow down and prepare for retirement and play more golf. Last winter I practiced putting on indoor mat, trained with the Stack system, and took indoor lessons on an indoor simulator. Started the Spring playing okay. I have taken lessons at least twice a month this summer and actually practice. My game however has just gotten worse. I’ve gone from a 4.5 to a 7.5 and it’s trending to a much higher number. It’s at the point where unless I can be okay with shooting mid to high 80s and be a legit double number handicap player, I think I might have to quit! I’m in good shape, work out, stretch, but after a long and very frustrating season, the reality of the state of my game is settling in. I should also mention that in a couple of months I will need to decide what to do with my membership at my club, private and quite nice - tough to spend that money and hate playing. Has anyone else gone through this and what happened? Did you quit? Work through it? Or did you become content with a lesser game?
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Are you a Better Golfer than a Year Ago?
hunterdog replied to iacas's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
After a pretty good year in 2023, over the winter and during the spring and summer, I took lessons, practiced and tried to get more fit. The results? Absolute rubbish. I don’t remember playing this bad since I had a cast on my right hand and wrist! Not sure where to go from here. -
In How Many Countries Have You Played Golf?
hunterdog replied to iSank's topic in Destinations and Travel
7 - US, Canada, Barbados, Bahamas, Ireland, Denmark, and France. -
What I have not heard much of is what does it mean for golf fans like me. I’ve played golf most of my life, public and private, and, other than work and family, golf has been my primary avocation. I have enjoyed watching televised golf, again, for most of my life (though I don’t watch every weekend). Personally, I think the Saudis are evil; prime sponsors of 9/11 and horrible human rights. While I don’t know all the details and don’t think anyone does, what is known that the Saudis have, at a minimum, a huge roll in the future of professional golf. So, is it just expected that televised golf fans like myself will simply overlook the Saudis involvement or do we quit watching televised golf? Is it suck it up or is it quit the game or is there a middle ground? What I am convinced of is that Dunne, Monahan, Yassir, and Norman are out and out liars. So I don’t see any guidance there.
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I don’t think this is hijacking the thread, but I have a question about announcing the provisional ball. Player A is last person in a threesome to hit a tee shot. Player A is unsure if ball will be found because original tee shot is headed to high rough. Player A decides to hit provisional but competitors have already sped away in their cart. Player A “announces”, on the now empty tee, that he is hitting a provisional which finds the middle of the fairway. Player A timely finds his original ball but competitors claim that original ball is out of play because Player A did not announce to them that he was hitting provisional. What is the correct ruling? Yes, this really happened.
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Iacas: I really do respect your opinions and thoughts regarding golf. And I am not trying to be overly argumentative. But I do want to souse this out a bit more. In the Casey Martin lawsuit, the PGAT called a number of witnesses to testify that walking the course was integral to the game. Two of the witnesses were Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. I’m not saying just because Arnie and Jack said it that must be so, just that other people knowledgeable about the game believed that waking was integral to the game. The Senior/Champions Tour use of carts was also brought forward in the trial and the PGAT argued to the court that the Senior/Champions Tour was only exhibition golf. My point is simply that the PGAT currently has equipment rules that are not the same for recreational golfers and I happen to believe that, at the highest levels, should be based upon, in part, their physical and mental fitness after walking 18 - think of Hogan after the car accident, Venturi walking 36 at the US Open, or Tiger Woods at Torrey winning the US Open. Personally, I think the ball for everyone should be rolled back. At 66 years old I hit the ball longer than I did when I was 36 years old. If the courses I typically play become to long I can move up a set of tees.
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Tell me why you don’t think recreational golfers being allowed to use carts and range finders which are not allowed on PGAT is not a bifurcation of the rules. To me, it seems that there are different rules regarding equipment being used, much like the ball. Tell me what I’m missing.
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The issue, in my opinion, is not what amateurs and the PGAT do different but, if they wanted to, they can still play by the same rules of competition. Ams could carry and calculate yardages, wasn’t that long ago that we did that, or hire a caddie, and amateurs could play the new ball. My point is that over time we have, with local rules, bifurcated the game from what the PGAT plays and what we, as amateurs, play. Most amateurs play different tees than the pros, use a handicap system, use equipment only similar to what the elite pros use, use carts, use lasers, and play courses that have the same layout but have different agronomy and mowing practices (for that one week a year that the Tour rolls into town). So we play similar games but certainly not the same game. And I’m okay with that.
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But haven’t we played with bifurcation for a long time? PGAT doesn’t allow distance measuring devices or golf carts. Don’t want bifurcation? Take away lasers and golf carts.
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[Name Redacted] (USGA Rules of Golf) Feb 5, 2023, 4:59 PM EST Hugh, thanks for your question. This Clarification is a VERY narrow one. It does not apply when someone sees a ball head into a tree, and then finds a ball in the tree but can’t identify it. Where this Clarification applies is a situation such as this: A spectator looks at a sparsely leafed tree (or a cactus) and it is 100% free of any golf balls. The spectator sees the player make a stroke and watches the flight of the ball the entire way as it hits in the tree or cactus. The spectator can now see a ball where there was none seconds earlier. In this case, that is sufficient regardless of whether the ball can now be identified.
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Clarification 7.2/1 states “Determining that another player or spectator saw the ball come to rest in that specific location after the player’s stroke.” I believe that to mean that someone saw that specific ball come to rest at that specific spot. Not that the ball came to rest in the area, in this case in the tree somewhere. In Reed’s situation, I don’t believe that any spectator or rules official announced that they actually observed his ball come to rest in the specific spot that a ball was seen. That is why Reed announced to the rules official that he was 100% certain that the treed ball was, in fact, marked identical to the ball that he played. The specific location of the ball is necessary to apply Rule 19.2. - I think.
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I would like to understand this rule. Rule 19.2(a) says that player is entitled to stroke and distance, even if original ball not found and identified. But relief under 19.2(b) an (c) says that ball must be identified to obtain reference point. I thought that’s why Faldo had to take stroke and distance in the 1992 US Open; everyone knew ball was in an identified tree but he could not identify the original ball. So in Reed’s case, how is that he did not have to “positively identify” his ball?
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You might be correct. To keep the top players, the PGAT has reorganized its league with a number of elevated events. I’m not sure how many qualify for these events. But the PGAT has a feeder process to qualify. Let’s say it’s the top 75 players: a player like Tom Kim, by playing well, can pretty rapidly qualify; while a player, like Rickie Fowler, can drop out of the list of exempted players. That would be a merit based system, unlike LIV which has an arbitrary selection process and some players, by contract, won’t be dropped. The lower ranked PGAT players, meanwhile, have plenty events to play, earn a very good paycheck, and work their way up the ladder. Not perfect but the new PGAT system will likely give televised golf consumers a better product overall and maintain a merit based system. Note: the issue identified by John Rahm needs to be addressed. Maybe by a couple of events ((Scottish Open) co-sanctioned by the DP World Tour become elevated events?
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