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How can you not be long when you are as tall as her compared to all the other women out there. @LongballGer - i really agree with you there, but it shows you just how little there is to root for on the LPGA.

Damn, i think they removed the makeup tips from the entertainment section - so much has changed since they booted Bivens :). But yeah - even in 2000 the LPGA site would have been regarded as outdated. When you open up the leaderboard they have this notice: "If you are experiencing problems with the leaderboard, there is an alternate version with lesser functionality." Are you sure it´s even possible to have lesser functionality than you already have.....

Sorry no, but as far as i recall he said it in an interview. But its only logical - what did you thought Tiger was thinking when Y.E. Yang pulled out a rescue to fire it over the tree at the pin at the 09 PGA ("Oh crap, i´m toast"). Sure Tiger could have done it with a long iron too (maybe), but if the other guys on tour could do it that easily they would just stick with their long irons - instead they are taking advantage of more forgiving clubs (rescues, game improvement irons, fairway woods that you can hit so high and far it makes you dizzy) to mask up their swing shortcomings vs. solid strikers and thereby leveling the playing field when it comes to ballstriking.

LOL - Ryder Cup pre game smack talk......

If we would score with our practice swings we probably shoot in the 60´s regullary. I notice it with mine too - i get in much better positions, incorporate the things i´m trying to do much better, but when i get over the ball, something goes wrong. I have a question to your swing regarding your leg action. Do you push both your knees inwards a bit or is that just an illusion? When your right leg "straightens" out and your butt feels like its going "towards the target" is this an active or passive move. How is your weight distribution at beginning and on top? The weight you have left on your right leg, is it mostly in the back of the foot or evenly balanced between the back and the middle of the foot? Did you watch Hogan videos for that kind of backswing move? Sorry if these things have already been asked - i havent gone through the whole thread yet. How did you try to shorten your backswing? I find it really difficult to do - one thing i read (i think from Sam Snead while talking about overswinging) is to make the left thumb "really long" which would result in less hinging and less backswing, but it´s still kinda tough... The other option he mentioned was hitting balls without shoes.

Those arent the fundamentals of S&T; - those are the fundamentals or even better results of a "technical sound golfswing".

Tiger himself said, he cant outplay these guys anymore with ballstriking (with the improved equipment over the last years) so he has to get it done around the greens.

Driving Accuracy//Driving Distance//GIR: Mike Weir 2005: 63.69 // 276 // 61.95 Mike Weir 2006: 64.10 // 277 // 66.47 Mike Weir 2007: 63.82 // 283 // 63.03 (Enter S&T;) Mike Weir 2008: 62.86 // 280 // 64.62 (Exit S&T;) Mike Weir 2009: 62.67 // 276 // 62.36 Mike Weir 2010: 53.83 // 266 // 57.89 Aaron Baddeley 2004: 53.08 // 279 // 58.17 Aaron Baddeley 2005: 53.32 // 278 // 60.84 (Enter S&T;) Aaron Baddeley 2006: 60.73 // 277 // 58.26 Aaron Baddeley 2007: 60 // 284 // 60.35 Aaron Baddeley 2008: 59.45 // 282 // 62.02 (Exit S&T;) Aaron Baddeley 2009: 56.80 // 282 // 59.26 Aaron Baddeley 2010: 55.78 // 290 // 63.67 I dont know about you guys, but to me these numbers tell me, that "ballstriking" (S&T; or not) pretty much has nothing to do with your world ranking. The relevant stuff happens around and on the green! Unless of course you play really bad like he does in 2010. I have for Mike Weir, i would for the other players, but thats a bit time consuming - i dont see any improvement in these numbers sorry. Troy Matteson: 1 win 2006 / 1 win 2009 Charlie Wie: No wins Mike Weir: 1 win 2007 Aaron Baddeley: 1 win 2006 / 1 win 2007 I dont even know or care when these guys switched to S&T; (beside the last two obv.) but if i look at their success records i would have to say - these are typical mediocre PGA tour players.

When i joined this forum and S&T; was slowly surfacing the attitude towards it was a lot less pushy and aggressiv than it is now. Now why is that? If you have a good product/idea/conecpt there is really no need to go this way - it might just scare people away. Now lets talk about ballstriking. Why didnt the S&T; guys on tour didnt achieve proper success (winning lots of tournaments/majors?). Is it because S&T; produces bad ballstriking? Probably not, the stats would tell you if you look it up, but it doesnt matter, e.g. year in year out you will find Phil Mickelson´s ballstriking way below par. But still he manages to rack up more wins in the last couple years than all the S&T; guys together. And thats because ballstriking doenst count a cent nowadays anymore when you basically can pitch&putt; your way around the course. The shortgame is way more important than ballstriking. And i cant really recall that guys like Mike Weir, Aaron Baddeley OR Charlie Wi are great short game players in this regard. Of course they win from time to time - everybody on tour has its week when they putt out all the lights, but there shortgame is not on the highest level, so they can´t compete every weekend. And then trying to argue that S&T; is responsible for a win, or on the other hand when they struggle, imo is just plain wrong!

Why would you actually want to invest your time in understanding this kind of event, when you just could spent the time studying and practicing a proper golf swing? That´s a bit confusing to me, since it clearly seems you are unhappy about your situation and not just have done it for some scientific purpose.

They dont care about english speaking nations, if the leaderboard is full with americans, that brings in ratings - if the leaderboard is full with no names + Tiger - that brings in ratings. This leaderboard wont! I think it was at the WGC Matchplay with the all english final - where they just switched it off at some point.

You guys better check the Tee times and TV times for tomorrow. Guess NBC prefers some football game over the "Golf playoffs" espically with THAT leaderboard....

Its intresting to see what swing speed does (or doesnt) do for you if you swing in the slower area. You hardly see LPGA players backup balls like on the PGA Tour. They get it to stop, but thats pretty much it (there are exceptions of course). BTW. if i remeber correctly, Lorena Ochoa, who had an average distance of something around 260 with her driver, played a very low loft (8 or 8.5) - if you look at Alvaro Quiros with a much higher swing speed, he plays more loft than Ochoa did. Difference is the dynamic loft produced - Ochoa most likely hit up on it while Quiros pretty much does the opposite.

Why is that? How about too quick of a weightshift, a too flat shoulder turn from the top, an incorrect sequencing resulting in an armsy motion from the top. When i think of OTT i always think of an error during the transition phase, not really during the backswing (if i get into a correct position on top despite have an underplane takeaway).

You can apply topspin to a golfball - no problem, but for that you have to hit it with the leading edge of your club - aka Topping it. That is the ONLY way you put Topspin on it:

BTW S&T; is a pattern built via "building blocks" or "methods" that can be found in decade old swings. Just look into TGM and you probably can rebuild a S&T; pattern. And i´m sure Bennett and Plummer are not claiming "copyright" for the modules they used to built the S&T; pattern, but for the whole package - which is fine imo, since they seem to be the first ones who went this route and promoted it this way. Now, was Ben Hogan a S&Ter; or Tiger or O´Hair - NO, they are just using methods that have been around for ages, and nowadays are incorrectly labled as S&T; pattern instead of a pure building block.

Iacas -thanks a lot for posting this video. I dont have too much trouble getting this shotshape with an open clubface, angled hinge and cutting it left, but what really bugs me is trying to hit a pull fade at the moment. I guess there is no other way around than leaving the inside square inside path and coming from the outside, or?

We are certainly treated to some great recovery shots from all over the place (Micky and Kitty that is) - too bad they cant keep it in the fairway and get themselves easier chances for birdies or certain pars instead of running the risk of a bogey or worse.

Hey Greenkeeper, that 3feet divot belongs to the 2nd green, maybe you want to replant it - sorry my flop shot didnt work out as planned - but dont blame me, Phil did it too :) It is allowed, but you probably get kicked in the nuts by somebody after the round.

Oh Phil what are you doing??? When you are in the middle of the green and have a straight line to the hole, despite break - dont try to lob it with a wedge and hit it 20 feet by, cuz you chunk it...............

LOL, i hope he steams off a bit when going to the Ryder Cup. Kuchar is probably the hottest guy right now.

Sorry but a bunker shot imo is not what he was planning to do. And if you play it this way, you dont put maximum spin on the ball, but you make it stop by a high flight path and gravity that brings the ball down again. Also this shot from this distance involves a lot more risk and distance issues than a low trajectory shot.

I think 25-30y is a very difficult distance to stop it and you always should at least calculate one bounce. If i drive it in low with a steep attack angle i take a minor divot - maybe half the size of a 10$ note but i think thats something personal, others pick it clean while others take a bigger divot. The key fundamentals are playing it further back, having a steep angle, hitting it flush (thats where most people struggle), and not releasing the clubface in the followthrough and dont flip it either.

Well getting the "swingbottom" more forward is another way of saying - get your pivot in order. If you only hit with your arms from top your swing, your swing bottom is WAY behind the ball. Now if you start pivoting/turning/shifting whatever - the amount you do that, is getting your swingbottom more forward. And to strike a ball great your swing bottom (not where your divot starts, but where it bottoms out) needs to be quite a bit in front of the ball. Of course aside from that you also need all the other stuff to be in order. Your swingbottom can be way in front but doesnt do anything for you when you come way from the outside or the inside.

If you think about it - the moment your right arm straightens out too early, either you are to armsy or your pivot stalls and you have to deliver your arms into the shot - once you run out of right arm you dont have an option but to flip at the ball in trying to rescue the shot - so flipping can be caused by a much more deeper problem like a poor pivoting action in your swing.