Downswing Swingthoughts?

ive always had a great backswing. nicely on plane. but after nearly 2 years of playing this game iam still clueless when it comes to the downswing. my downswing plane when looking from behind down-the-line will be above the backswing plane. Probably because i turn before doing anything with the arms. they say you got to drop your arms from the top into the slot to get on plane.

Turn my left hip atop my posted left leg as fast as possible while holding all of the angles - and hold on for dear life.

I like that. Plus, make sure your head doesn't drift level with or forward of the ball .....

I pull with my left shoulder. That makes the rest of my body movements automatic, including making my hips lead. In fact, I control my entire swing with my left shoulder. I learned that from "The Golf Swing and It's Master Key Explained" by Noel Thomas.

You need to find a trigger so you swing directly down at the top of the backswing, not out. If you make a full coiled turn you will see the whole body is connected, such if you move your left knee to the target the arms come down, same if you move your right knee to the ball and if you lower your arms both knees again move as stated. So it really makes no difference which move/feel you use as long as the effect is your arms swing down and not out. It is also necessary that the move be done slow enough for you to maintain, your grip correctly on the club, spine angles and weight behind the ball at impact. What you want to happen is the synchronization of the hands falling to the right hip and then turning through. The more coil you create the faster the arms can swing down and still meet the right hip. Starting the downswing with a turn of the hips which is what Hogan said he did, may have worked for him since he turned his hips so far back in the backswing his weight was back on his front foot at the top. If you make a good backswing with the weight on the rear foot, starting the downswing by just turning the hips may result in a poor weight transition forward and the body outracing the club resulting in poor weak shots. Take a look at Darrell Klassen's videos on the downswing. He simply casts his left wrist straight down from the top behind the line and this move starts a very power full swing with turn and release.

I definitely do not like the idea of consciously starting the swing with the movement of the hips or any conscious knee action. Rather, I am hoping, that starting the downswing with the left shoulder will cause the left hip to bump or brace as a reaction. I am not sure about starting directly down unless you are executing a two plane swing which I am not. But you do want the shoulder to go down the plane angle and not over it. I have not been thinking much about the coil and weight on the right foot but I think I have developed a pretty good habit of doing that on the backswing finally.

I bought the Master Key PDF and have put it into practice the last three weeks. I was having a terrible time with shanking the ball and just had to try something. The Master Key has brought me full circle. I was a left arm swinger for a long time. Was told by my early teachers, not professionals, that the left arm did all the work and the right arm went along for the ride. When I took my own professional lessons and began reading and experimenting, I got the right arm more involved in my swing in every way. I don't think there is a right way but there you have it.

I definitely do not like the idea of consciously starting the swing with the movement of the hips or any conscious knee action. Rather, I am hoping, that starting the downswing with the left shoulder will cause the left hip to bump or brace as a reaction. I am not sure about starting directly down unless you are executing a two plane swing which I am not. But you do want the shoulder to go down the plane angle and not over it. I have not been thinking much about the coil and weight on the right foot but I think I have developed a pretty good habit of doing that on the backswing finally.

What your not seeing and feeling is your backswing. A good downswing is the result of a good backswing. You cannot play better than your backswing. If you are not coiled correctly and in good position at the top for your body structure, the forward move will not be automatic, but will require some conscious effort which leads to inconsistency. Read any of the books on the swing and you will see the backswing is a coiled taut unconfortable positon at the top which natually wants to unwind through to the target. If you can hangout at the top, you are not doing it right. This is why all the pros and best players all say when things go bad they just swing the club and have no consious thoughts ie Nicklaus the best swingthought is none. They only can do this because they have a full coiled taut backswing in good angle and the downswing is a natual reaction to what preceeded it.