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Ok so I hate doing this (especially cause I don't have access to a video camera) but with the state of my driver game I am out of options.  So for some reason the moment I pick up a driver my drives go astray.  I tend to hit about 9 out of 10 drives with an extreme slice.  The funny thing is if I am further left it goes further right.

I have tried closing the club face, all this does is lower the trajectory so it doesnt have time to slice.

I also tried bringing my swing back by keeping my elbow straight (thus eliminating the over the top swing) and still nothing.

Sorry guys again but I am desperate for any help.

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"The funny thing is if I aim further left it goes further right." : Maybe try aiming further right then :)

When I had a slice a few years ago, I could start it out on the left fairway of the adjacent hole, it would slice from the middle of that fairway all the way over the fairway im trying to hit and into the trees on the right of the fairway im trying to hit, I'm sure it used to go further right than it went forward when I tried to aim further left.
The thing that stopped me slicing was an alignment change and the concious of thought of knowing what caused my slice.
I had a lesson and this was one of my first lessons, he told me to have something down for alignment when I'm practicing and now I almost always do. So first make sure your aligning straight, feet mainly but also shoulders etc. everything should be square.
Secondly he told me at impact to think that im going to push it to the right, what was causing my slice was coming across the ball so the further I wanted to go left the more I would cut across the ball. So he got my alignment straight and me thinking about pushing the ball to the right, feel like your clubhead is going to the right of the target at impact, It most likely won't its just a thought to stop you cutting across it.
This basically cured my slice instantly and replaced it with a push to the right until I got used to it, which is much easier to handle than a slice but still frustrating so don't give up if something similar happens to you, or better yet wait for better advice off one of the experts :)

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Originally Posted by mosnas

Ok so I hate doing this (especially cause I don't have access to a video camera) but with the state of my driver game I am out of options.  So for some reason the moment I pick up a driver my drives go astray.  I tend to hit about 9 out of 10 drives with an extreme slice.  The funny thing is if I am further left it goes further right.

I have tried closing the club face, all this does is lower the trajectory so it doesnt have time to slice.

I also tried bringing my swing back by keeping my elbow straight (thus eliminating the over the top swing) and still nothing.

Sorry guys again but I am desperate for any help.


Strengthen your grip by rotating both hands slightly more clockwise on the shaft. Hit more from the inside of the ball.

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I have been trying to learn to golf for the last year.  As recently as six months ago if I would hit a driver, the ball would go about a hundred yards straight, and a hundred yards to the right.  I am not exaggerating.  It really was that bad.

Over the last few months, I am just now starting to get this under control.  The key for me was club head path.  Mine was outside to in, and this was amplified with longer clubs, and whenever I moved the ball forward.  Put a driver in my hand, and move the ball all the way forward, and I could literally never hit a playable shot, no matter how softly I swung the club.

In retrospect, I wish an instructor would have just set something (like a golf ball bucket) about a foot behind the ball many months ago.  If that had happened, I would have understood the desired diagonal clubhead path much sooner, and could have been much farther along in the development of my game.

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Originally Posted by atb5079

Strengthen your grip by rotating both hands slightly more clockwise on the shaft. Hit more from the inside of the ball.

Unfortunately I already have quite a strong grip

Driver: RBZ 9.5° Stiff

Woods: :nike:VR_S Tour 2.0 15° Stiff

Hybrids:  910H 21° Stiff

Irons: 4-GW Pro Black CB1 with Project X rifle 6.0

Wedges:CC Jaws 56°.14° 60°.08°

Putter: Classic 1

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Check out the video in this thread (first video in post #39): http://thesandtrap.com/t/54665/great-golf-instruction-tips-videos-and-articles/36

He's got a shorter one you might want to look at first. Look up "Trackman Maestro on Driver Attack Angle" on youtube.

Lots of resources and people to learn from around here!

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Originally Posted by mosnas

Unfortunately I already have quite a strong grip


By strengthen your grip I dont really mean grip it real hard, I mean the rotation clockwise. It will help. That is how you grip it if you want to hit a draw. It worked for me. I use to slice it terribly but I hit it straight now for the most part because of the grip, hitting the inside of the ball more, and also some lessons obviously are crucial.

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Club is WAY TOO LONG like by about 4 inches.

Try this

Do not cut shaft but

Remove the grip (hypo needle and paint thinner)

Cut the butt end TIP off of an old grip and install sliding it 4 inches farther up.

Give it a fair try getting over the novelty period and try it at that 4" shorter length.

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Originally Posted by Jon Robert

Club is WAY TOO LONG like by about 4 inches.

Try this

Do not cut shaft but

Remove the grip (hypo needle and paint thinner)

Cut the butt end TIP off of an old grip and install sliding it 4 inches farther up.

Give it a fair try getting over the novelty period and try it at that 4" shorter length.

If you have to grip down beyond the bottom of a standard grip, get a lesson.

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Originally Posted by LovinItAll

If you have to grip down beyond the bottom of a standard grip, get a lesson.


He didn't say grip down below the standard grip...

He said take the grip off, then install a grip that has had the butt end removed 4" further down the

stock length shaft and try it out.

If it works for him he can then have the shaft of the driver cut down and have a new grip installed.

It is simply a way to try shorter clubs without cutting the shaft first.

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Originally Posted by kregan

He didn't say grip down below the standard grip...

He said take the grip off, then install a grip that has had the butt end removed 4" further down the

stock length shaft and try it out.

If it works for him he can then have the shaft of the driver cut down and have a new grip installed.

It is simply a way to try shorter clubs without cutting the shaft first.

Thank you for that...I can read. Let me see if I can re-phrase my statement:

If the OP has a standard length driver (45-46"), a standard length grip (~10"), and average hands, he has at least 2" of length that he can grip down, effectively reducing the club length to 43-43.5" or so. If the OP can't hit a 43.5" driver, my suggestion is that he take a lesson.

If the OP would rather try to hit a 37"-41" driver, he's certainly welcome to do so.

The OP's issue is swing path - he has an extreme slice. I'd fix that, but that's just me. Like you, I'm entitled to my opinion.

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Originally Posted by LovinItAll

Thank you for that...I can read. Let me see if I can re-phrase my statement:

If the OP has a standard length driver (45-46"), a standard length grip (~10"), and average hands, he has at least 2" of length that he can grip down, effectively reducing the club length to 43-43.5" or so. If the OP can't hit a 43.5" driver, my suggestion is that he take a lesson.

If the OP would rather try to hit a 37"-41" driver, he's certainly welcome to do so.

The OP's issue is swing path - he has an extreme slice. I'd fix that, but that's just me. Like you, I'm entitled to my opinion.

Children and short people do not need to take lessons so they can hit standard length drivers. They need non standard length drivers.   The longer the club the harder it is to hit the sweet spot. Pros ave max is 45.5 DUH unless you are one of the best in the world then look at shorter lengths.

This is so good I am just going to C&P; the whole thing

"What all this means is this. Somewhere between 10 inches and 10 feet is the correct length for a golf club to hit the ball solid with distance and accuracy. But, I'll guarantee the right length for you is far closer to 10 inches than 10 feet!"

The Search for the Perfect Golf Club

The Search for The Perfect Golf Club (excerpt)
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The loft, lie and lengths of your clubs all interact with one another and your swing speed to give you the direction, distance and trajectory of your ball flight. In terms of accuracy, the most important of these three is club length, followed by lie and loft. Let's look particularly at length.

Length and accuracy is a no brainer. Think about it. If I put a club head at the end of a 10 inch shaft and ask you hit a golf ball straight down the fairway, it would be a pretty easy task. OK, so you'd only get to put one hand on the club, you'd be on your knees to address the ball, and the ball wouldn't go very far. But, it would be easy to make solid contact and to hit the ball straight. Now, let's say I switch you from a 10 inch to a 10 foot club and ask you to do the same thing. What do you think's going to happen?

Right. The 10 foot long club would be almost completely uncontrollable.

I remember when long drive competitions had just started, and golfers were in awe of the humongous long drivers these gorillas used. All of a sudden there was so much interest among regular golfers in super-long drivers that many shaft companies began to manufacture specially designed super-long shafts to meet the demand.

One day I built a 60" long driver with a graphite shaft finished in a bright fire engine red. My wife Mary-Ellen happened to work with LPGA Tour player Tammie Green's brother at the time. We were headed out for a picnic at the Green family farm outside the quaint little town of Somerset, Ohio that weekend. I knew Tod would just love to get his hands on that club, what with all the talk at the time in golf about super long drivers, so I shoehorned all 60 inches of it into the car.

The 9-hole golf course where all the Greens learned to play bordered the family's farmland so as soon as I pulled this 60" driver out of the car , Tod and Tammie got this gleam in their eyes and said, "let's go over to the club." In a flash the three of us hopped on the family John Deere, headed out across the fields and over to the Perry County 'Country Club'. Some vehicle to head into a golf course parking lot with, eh!

As soon as we rolled in, Tod hopped off the tractor, took the 60 inch driver and strolled into the "clubhouse." Conspicuously waggling the driver in front of him, Tod hollered out, "Tammie'n me got us a new driver here and we're a'wonderin' if any of you boys want to give it a whack." Sure enough, the "boys" all jumped up and insisted on heading outside the front door to the 1st tee to try it out. Once there Tod posed a little proposition–you know, a group of guys hanging out drinkin' beers in the shop can't possibly do anything golf-related without "putting something on it"!

Tod said, "OK, you guys give me a buck for each swing you take with this driver and I'll give you two bucks if you hit it over the ditch out there in the fairway." I took a look and figured the ditch that crossed the first fairway was out there about 210 yards, and probably a hazard most of these guys feared with their "mini-drivers." With visions of massive drives from this 60" driver, tongues were hanging out and hands were reaching into back pockets before Tod could finish uttering the challenge. Of course, Tod's "shill" was sister Tammie. After several of the "boys" paid the buck and topped, heeled, or dropkicked the driver, Tammie would step in and say, "Tod, you sure there ain't nothing wrong with that driver that's causin' the boys to hit it so short"? At which point Tod promptly handed the club to his tour player sister Tammie who blew the ball WELL over the ditch on the fly.

Well that just stirred things up even more with the boys of Perry County C.C. To make a long story short, Tod and Tammie walked away with over $100 that day! And the guys all left with a lesson about long drivers, on-center hits and accuracy. The most heard phrase that day? "Gimme that damn thing again, I know I can fly the ditch." So Tod, Tammie and I all headed to the Somerset butcher shop and grilled steak at the picnic instead of burgers and dogs!

What all this means is this. Somewhere between 10 inches and 10 feet is the correct length for a golf club to hit the ball solid with distance and accuracy. But, I'll guarantee the right length for you is far closer to 10 inches than 10 feet! Do NOT assume that the "standard" length found on the clubs in the golf shop, especially the woods, will be right for you. 98% of the men's drivers these days are built to a "standard" length of 45 or 45.5 inches; and I am here to tell you that a 45 inch driver will not fit 90% of all golfers and will never allow them to achieve their best combination of distance AND accuracy.

Let me put it another way. Tiger Woods has swung a 43.5 inch driver most of his career on tour. If he could hit the ball straight with a 45 inch club–he would. He can't; so he doesn't. And he knows if he did use a longer driver, he'd have even more trouble keeping it in play. The average driver length for all the other pros on the PGA Tour today is 44.5 inches. Now if Tiger and the rest of his pals know they can't control a 45 inch long stick, what are the chances that you can?

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Let me see if I can, once again, crash through what seems to be a certain denseness:

You gave your opinion. I gave mine. You think you're right. I think I'm right. OP doesn't need to regrip with 4" of shaft stickng out to get his driver to Tiger's length (or any acceptable length, for that matter). OP also isn't likely to swing the club at Tiger's swing speed, so sacrificing FOUR INCHES of driver is going to make him a mighty short hitter even if he does make solid contact.

Again, if you and the OP want to play with 41" drivers, be my guest. You clearly play with a very, very short driver - good for you. The OP's issue is still swing path. Tiger can hit with a 50" driver and he's still not going to hit and uncontrollable slice. You want the OP to put a bandaid on his issue rather than actually fix his swing.

Shortening driver is fine, but the pros don't do it to mask an underlying swing flaw. They do it for better control and consistency. Based on the tenor of your posts, I don't expect you're going to actually understand that, though.

Originally Posted by Jon Robert

Children and short people do not need to take lessons so they can hit standard length drivers. They need non standard length drivers.   The longer the club the harder it is to hit the sweet spot. Pros ave max is 45.5 DUH unless you are one of the best in the world then look at shorter lengths.

This is so good I am just going to C&P; the whole thing

"What all this means is this. Somewhere between 10 inches and 10 feet is the correct length for a golf club to hit the ball solid with distance and accuracy. But, I'll guarantee the right length for you is far

closer to 10 inches than 10 feet!"

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P.S. The OP isn't having a hard time 'hitting the sweet spot' (well, probably that, too), he's asking about curing an extreme slice. Once again, though, I figure this will be lost on the 41" driver crowd. The shorter club recommendations are for hitting the ball more solidly, not for fixing a swing flaw.

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Originally Posted by onesome

Shortening a driver 4 inches will drastically change the swing weight, drivers these days are designed for 45-46 inch shafts.

There is no sacred cow swing weight any more than there is a sacred cow shoe size.   A D4 46" driver at 42" would be about C0  Neither D4 nor C0 is a  a sacred number to be maintained. I like to have GO-ish or heavie.  I max out the SW scale and beyond.

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I wasn't implying you don't have a right to an opinion.

Originally Posted by LovinItAll

Like you, I'm entitled to my opinion.

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