Rear Forearm Rotation in the Transition (Borrowing from Baseball)

[mdl]

I've spent some time thinking about coaching baseball, kibbitzing with my brother (we both played in college) about my nephew, a burgeoning youth star. I came across this, which I WISH someone had told me 30 years ago. Time params don't work in the embedded player. You can start at 0:34. On his channel you can find a number of videos where he analyzes the great swings and 100% of them do what he's talking about. He's also worked with a number of stars, including Judge. This is def right in baseball.

 

Then... Youtube recommended me this. You can just watch the first 10 seconds of this one and compare to above. The moves look almost identical!!

Has anyone ever heard of this? It's hard to tell on pro swing videos. Much harder than in baseball. But it looks like it might be there. I've been playing around with it with dry swings and it definitely has to be subtle in the golf swing. It feels super different to me! I've always thought the athletic thing to do was to get into position to punch through (more baseball) or maybe slap  or throw the low frisbee (for golf).

With this move I'm able to actually get my hands to impact very close to where they were at setup (aiming for forward and slightly towards the ball for shaft lean of course), rather than where I've always gotten them, reaching out much closer to the ball at impact. That's with several stretches over the years of trying really hard to train them not to reach out. Gotta get to the range to have a firmer opinion, but I'm interested if anyone has heard this or tried it.

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, mdl said:

Time params don't work in the embedded player.

Yes they do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSZJjBWvhw&t=34s

It's late, and I'm a bit distracted, but… no, I don't think so. Golf has a flat clubface and a baseball bat is round. The pose at 1:56 is not at all like what we see in golf. We also don't rotate around the ball of the rear femur. Also, we do not want the pivot point or the rear hand to stay "at the rear shoulder as long as possible."

The first video doesn't do a great job of showing off what he's talking about. I wouldn't mind some two-handed swings in slow motion, for example.

I also don't see what he's talking about much in the first video I found on YouTube:

The bat pushes out a pretty good bit there (it does rotate somewhat around the right forearm).

[mdl]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

Yes they do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSZJjBWvhw&t=34s

It's late, and I'm a bit distracted, but… no, I don't think so. Golf has a flat clubface and a baseball bat is round. The pose at 1:56 is not at all like what we see in golf. We also don't rotate around the ball of the rear femur. Also, we do not want the pivot point or the rear hand to stay "at the rear shoulder as long as possible."

The first video doesn't do a great job of showing off what he's talking about. I wouldn't mind some two-handed swings in slow motion, for example.

I also don't see what he's talking about much in the first video I found on YouTube:

The bat pushes out a pretty good bit there (it does rotate somewhat around the right forearm).

I don’t disagree that the baseball swing isn’t very comparable to the golf swing. I posted that just because it seems counterintuitive in both sports but is true in baseball, so… golf? It’s funny, those two pics of Judge, to me, are an excellent demonstration of how the right hand motion is rotation and not a punch 😆

[iacas]

7 hours ago, mdl said:

I don’t disagree that the baseball swing isn’t very comparable to the golf swing.

Okay.

7 hours ago, mdl said:

I posted that just because it seems counterintuitive in both sports but is true in baseball, so… golf?😆

I'm not sure I get the point. Things in golf are counter-intuitive?

7 hours ago, mdl said:

It’s funny, those two pics of Judge, to me, are an excellent demonstration of how the right hand motion is rotation and not a punch 😆

He also said that there isn't much of a push, and I see a lot of a push of the hands forward.

And, ultimately… it should be about golf, so I'm still missing what you see as the golf tie-in here.