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I am working on my posture here....you don't have to watch the whole video but I would appreciate it if you would look at some of the swings in the later part of the video. There are also some driver swings about 4 minutes in.



And here is a compilation of me playing a bit. A little warning: it is set to a slightly unsavory rap song, so just beware.


Anyway, any good? bad? Obvious flaws? All input appreciated.

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Your swing looks pretty good. You have a good althletic move too the ball. One thing that I did notice is that you seem to be "swinging out of your shoes" a little bit. I have had trouble with this in the past too. Just try to smooth your tempo up a bit and swing a bit easier. You should be hitting with about 80% of your power on an average shot. Sometimes distance isn't about a fast swing as it is with solid contact. I have slowed my swing down and I am now getting even more distance than I have in the past.

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7.5/10.............
In My Bag

Driver: Sasquatch 460 9.5°
3 Wood: Laser 3 Wood 15°
5 Wood: r7 19° (Stiff)Irons: S58 Irons 4-PW Orange DotWedge: Harmonized 60°Wedge: Z TP 54°Putter: Tiffany 34"Balls: Pro V1 Shoes: Adidas Tour 360 IIThe Meadows Golf Coursewww.themeadowsgc.comAge: 16

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My first observation. Are you wearing golf shoes?
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no they are running shoes. I rarely slip and I do not play competitively so I opt for comfort. I actually am thinking of playing in a few things in the next few months and will be getting some cool golf shoes to replace my old ones.

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first you have a very interesting taste in music. second do you hook the ball or used to hook it because it looks like you are rushing yuor hips to keep from getting stuck behind yourself and either blocking it or hooking the shit out of it. other than your swing looks fine, maybe work on balance alittle bit.

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Driver: 09 Burner 10.5 Aldila NV 65 X Stiff
3wd: G10 14* Aldila NV 85 X Stiff
Hybrid: G10 18* Aldila NV 105 X Stiff
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swing is pretty good. you look like your swinging way too hard though.

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Hybrids Ping G5 (3) 19* Bridgestone J36 (4) 22*
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first you have a very interesting taste in music. second do you hook the ball or used to hook it because it looks like you are rushing yuor hips to keep from getting stuck behind yourself and either blocking it or hooking the shit out of it. other than your swing looks fine, maybe work on balance alittle bit.

lol, the music is just for fun...

I used to be a lot fatter and less flexible and I had a very short and compact swing. I used to hit a slice/fade and couldn't even imagine hooking the ball. My fiancee's brother is like a +4 handicap or whatever and he gave me a tip that has completely changed my game: get my left knee behind the ball. I have added a ton of distance but, yeah, like you said, I do hit a big draw/hook now. I actually don't have much trouble straightening it out, but it certainly is my miss. I don't block it much, but it does happen every once in a while. I definitely am swinging pretty hard here. Probably just trying to intimidate the other golfers.

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Looks like just back/shoulders are slumped a little. Can make it harder to turn around spine. Knees bent maybe just a little too much. Other than that posture stuff, your swing looks pretty good, though swing tempo could be smoothed out a bit and effort bought down to maybe 80% on average swing, as mentioned before, although I don't know if that is 80% for you, it just looks like you're using a lot of effort. About hooking it; I'd say it's way better than pulling/slicing, at least you're not hitting from the top.

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I liked Jamiroquai..the other stuff..ehh..

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I like your back swing at top..trying to do the same..seem like your shaft is in line. I agree with the others that you seem to be trying to hit for the wall though on the downswing.

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I am working on my posture here....you don't have to watch the whole video but I would appreciate it if you would look at some of the swings in the later part of the video. There are also some driver swings about 4 minutes in.

What are you trying to do with your posture?

You look to me like you are getting your hips set too low, and you have too much bend toward the ball. Those things are going to make maintaining your posture and balance during the swing very difficult. Your lower body looks like it makes more movement than is necessary on the backswing, and your cramped posture makes it so that you have little room to get through the shot. Below is your iron swing compared to Trevor Immelman's.

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Driver: Burner TP 8.5*
Fairway metals/woods: Burner TP 13* Tour Spoon, and Burner TP 17.5*
Irons: RAC MB TP Wedges: RAC TPPutter: Spider Ball: (varies ) (Most of the time): TP Red or HX Tour/56---------------------------------------------------


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wow ^^ that is amazing. Yeah, the bend towards the ball is what I am trying to get rid of. That is how I naturally stand up to the ball and I have to make a conscious effort to fix that. On my pictures, the white line crosses the red line, and on trevor's, it never does. I think this is what I am going for.

As for the lower body movement, I have had some serious issues with getting my weight on my right side and hitting the ball far. For reference my distances about 6 months ago: 7 iron 150 4 iron 180.

today, it is more like 7 iron 165, and 4 iron 195. I got a tip from a v. good player who told me to "get my knee behind thet ball" (by the way he is a friend of Mr. Immelman's). I pretty much instantly got a bunch of yardage and a lot of that movement might be me trying to exagerrate that move.

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Nice to see the swing of someone with a handicap under 10. Confirms a few things for me with my own swing (bad spine angle / posture on long clubs = bad turn = bad balance = bad strikes). Going to fix that right away.

I agree, turn the tempo down a bit, remember the power is in the lag, which feels effortless and kinda slow, not in how fast you whip the club to the top of the swing.

Looks good! That last swing with the camera behind the ball was golden. My brain knew that sound immediately...

FLUSH.
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The only thing I am going to throw out there is that I think you your feet are lined up to the right from the camera angle, which usually good player do to hit a draw and I think maybe you aren't extending your right arm enough at impact - might be because you are affraid of hitting a block out to the right. Do you hit a lot of ball of the toe of the club?

If you take look at the comparison and even when you watch on TV, when the pros hit the ball it goes off to the right where as your balls go off to the left. That might be camera angle but it looks like you might be hitting a pull hook or sometimes a slice?

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The only thing I am going to throw out there is that I think you your feet are lined up to the right from the camera angle, which usually good player do to hit a draw and I think maybe you aren't extending your right arm enough at impact - might be because you are affraid of hitting a block out to the right. Do you hit a lot of ball of the toe of the club?

it depends which video you are referring to. The driver swing on the first video I am intentionally set up for a hook b/c there is tons of room on the left and OB all down the right. On the iron shot to par 3, I unintentionally set up for a hook and did in fact hook it into the bunker.

As for the toe of the club, I actually don't do that very often at all with 5 iron-wedges. It is a fairly common miss with my 4 iron/hybrid/5 wood/3 wood. As for a slice, that used to be all I hit was a big fade. The only time I slice it now is if I don't get my weight behind the ball, which actually happened for a round and a half. I obviously figured it out too late to salvage a good round. I think my arm isn't extended enough at impact because of some fo the other things talked about in this thread...specifically...I don't get through the ball very easily because of bad posture.
I agree, turn the tempo down a bit, remember the power is in the lag, which feels effortless and kinda slow, not in how fast you whip the club to the top of the swing. Looks good! That last swing with the camera behind the ball was golden. My brain knew that sound immediately... FLUSH.

thanks! Tempo is especially bad on the range. It always is with me, which is why I don't practice nearly enough. The shot behind the ball worked out really well. It is a downhill hole and I thought that I was getting the whole hole. But it worked out really cool.


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Why would you want to get your left knee behind the ball ?

I have had a hard time getting my weight behind the ball. I have only had like 2 lessons ever and the guy said that the only thing keeping me from being a 25 handicap is my good position at impact. I saw myself on video and all of my weight is stuck over my left foot. Obviously I know this is a problem and have tried to get behind the ball, but still with very limited improvement. The tip/swing thought of "left knee behind the ball" completely fixed this flaw, at least as far as I can tell. As I said earlier, my distances are greatly improved. I think there are still a few minor things that could get me extra yards, but I have no problem with length playing 7k yard courses anymore, which really makes the game much easier.

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