Shaft Torque causing pushes?

[williethekid]

So here's what happened on the course today. Driver was pushing right a lot, I mean coming off 20-30 yards right of target line. After 3 lost balls decided to play only the 3 wood off the tee. I had no issues with the 3 wood pushing at all. So here's my question, could it be the fact my driver shaft is low torque. For reference I playing a 905r with a Proforce V2 (76) as my driver, and a 906f2 with a NV 75 as my 3 wood. Could it also be my wrists aren't big enough to turn the 460cc's over?

[deronsizemore]

I wouldn't think so. Probably just that you're swinging a little harder with your driver and getting it off plane?

Tourque has a little to do with the clubhead twisting but not that much and it definitely won't equal into a 30 yard push. If your ball starts off to the right you're just coming from the inside out and pushing it with a square clubface to that line.

Could very well have something to do with shaft stiffness, length, torque, etc., but I'm guessing it's more to do with the indian than the arrow. :)

[williethekid]

Thanks for the feedback, I just wonder why it was with the driver, not the 3 wood. Tried slowing down and speeding up the swing and tempo during the round. Also tried coming more from the outside, and push turned into a slice that started right and went further right, guess its time for a lesson.

[imtomtomim]

Yeah, the shaft will do that. I know that they say a shaft too flexible will hook your shots, but if the gap is actually way off, you'll slice and hit right. I bought a cheap driver with an intermediate shaft (?) from k-mart when I started and I kept hitting slices. I learned at the range, I had to slow my swing down butt loads for it to hit straight or draw. My swing was actually fast enough and had enough acceleration to keep the face open through the whole swing. Picked up an x flex and fixed it up nice. Get the right shaft and it will help a bunch. And a swing tip, drop that right elbow.

[deronsizemore]

Thanks for the feedback, I just wonder why it was with the driver, not the 3 wood. Tried slowing down and speeding up the swing and tempo during the round. Also tried coming more from the outside, and push turned into a slice that started right and went further right, guess its time for a lesson.

Hi,

The simple answer... a 3 wood is just easier to hit. As for the results you were seeing, you said that you tried coming more from the outside but your push turned into a slice that started right and went further right. If you think about this for a second, you'll see that even though you felt like you were coming from the outside, you're still coming from the inside too much. It's physically impossible to swing from the outside in and start the ball to the right of your target. Whatever line your ball starts on, that's your swing path. So, if your ball starts right, you were swinging from the inside. If your ball goes further right (like yours) you had an open clubface at impact. When your ball was starting right and staying straight, you were coming from the inside with a square clubface to that line. If you have a closed clubface with the same swing you have now, you'll see the ball start right and draw or hook back to the middle. You swing path dictates what line the ball starts on and your face angle at impact relative to your swing path dictates what the ball does once it's in the air. If that doesn't make sense let me know and I'll try to explain better.

[williethekid]

No that makes sense, except for the fact my 3 wood is about as small as they come and the driver is as big. I just wondered because the clubs were quite different. I tried my buddies driver this past week and had the same problem. Took a lesson and the pro worked on turning my hips faster which increased distance and forced me to come more outside. Thanks for everyones help.

[907golfer12]

So here's what happened on the course today. Driver was pushing right a lot, I mean coming off 20-30 yards right of target line. After 3 lost balls decided to play only the 3 wood off the tee. I had no issues with the 3 wood pushing at all. So here's my question, could it be the fact my driver shaft is low torque. For reference I playing a 905r with a Proforce V2 (76) as my driver, and a 906f2 with a NV 75 as my 3 wood. Could it also be my wrists aren't big enough to turn the 460cc's over?

Are both shafts the same flex? Because if your driver is stiffer that could also be the problem. A shaft that is just a little too stiff for you will make you leave your shots out to the right.

[williethekid]

They are both the same flex, dont know about the CPM's but both the same flex.

[deronsizemore]

No that makes sense, except for the fact my 3 wood is about as small as they come and the driver is as big. I just wondered because the clubs were quite different. I tried my buddies driver this past week and had the same problem. Took a lesson and the pro worked on turning my hips faster which increased distance and forced me to come more outside. Thanks for everyones help.

Yes, the driver is bigger but that doesn't mean it's easier to hit. The driver is actually one of the most difficult clubs to hit in the bag. The main thing to remember is that the 3 wood is shorter than your driver and has more loft, that's the main factor in why you can hit a three wood better than a driver. I'd be willing to bet that you can hit your 7 iron better than your 3 iron, no? Same concept. It's shorter and it has more loft. The more loft you have the straighter your ball will generally fly as a direct result of more backspin and less side spin.

[chrt396]

I wouldn't think so. Probably just that you're swinging a little harder with your driver and getting it off plane?

Now...I must say...that is a quote that I am going to store in my repertoire of things to say!! That was good!!

I go through the same thing you do. I hit the three wood straight as an arrow...then I pull the big dog out and try and kill it and knowing that I'm supposed to use a more sweeping motion on the swing, I have a tendency to come from the inside and push it. It's all that pressure competing with the guys in the group for that monster drive. That ol' competition...it gets the best of me at times.

[deronsizemore]

Now...I must say...that is a quote that I am going to store in my repertoire of things to say!! That was good!!

Well, I definitely didn't come up with that saying, so don't give me all the credit.

It's a good saying though and usually rings true. I've been fighting my driver and putter here lately myself and have been toying around with new ones but the fact is I've driven the ball well in the past with this driver and I've putted lights out with the putter, so it's not the clubs at fault, it's me. That doesn't change the fact that as golfers, we're always looking for the next new toy or technology to give us a little more confidence, yards, etc. Sometimes even though it is all about us and has little to do with the club, the added confidence of a new stick in our hands is enough to bring us out of a slump.

[lionelp4]

So here's what happened on the course today. Driver was pushing right a lot, I mean coming off 20-30 yards right of target line. After 3 lost balls decided to play only the 3 wood off the tee. I had no issues with the 3 wood pushing at all. So here's my question, could it be the fact my driver shaft is low torque. For reference I playing a 905r with a Proforce V2 (76) as my driver, and a 906f2 with a NV 75 as my 3 wood. Could it also be my wrists aren't big enough to turn the 460cc's over?

At the start of the season I had exactly the same experience with the same (Pro-force V2 75g) shaft. If you can , try out the Graphite Design ys-6+ shaft in a similar driver. I also had a lot of success with the Aldila VS Proto shaft.

Hope this helps.

[williethekid]

Thanks for the help, I might try an NV65 in the driver, or get one of the new titleist drivers coming out with a different shaft.