Swing speed/How far do you hit/ etc...

[Williamevanl]

I have an unusual quick question about swingspeed and club distances. It seems to me that an good golf swing seems to be slower by nature than a faulty golf swing.

Someone help me out here. When I started golfing I could simply kill a golf ball with my driver not straight and not consistent but hitting 300 was completely possible and 350 even happened once. It seemed however that once I learned all about swing plane and the affects of grip I gained the ability to play really good golf but lost the ability to hit the ball really far.

*My observations*
A faulty golf swing involves slinging the club through with you hands, arms head and body as fast as you can with a shut face/strong grip that can occasionally all come together resulting in a very long sometimes straight shot.

A good golf swing it seems is a slow deliberate movement where the arms are restricted from doing anything until they hit about pocket height with the body powering the club from the inside controlled by a more nuetral grip.

It seems now thought that even if I swing at 110% I can't quite get to the 300 mark, generally something like 280 and I have a 9 degree driver that probably requires a swingspeed that I can no longer produce because I can't power throught the shot with my upper body. I guess I could but I would have to abandon everthing I know about the golf swing.


This has everything to do with all the speed/distance threads that I keep reading. Playing every other day with strangers I have noticed the fastest club head speeds and the occasional longest hitters are correlated with the worst swingpaths. I'm sure this is the difference between pro's and your average 19 year old kid that just swings as hard as he can in a single instant from the top, they both have the same swing speed and distance at times but only the pro's can actually play golf because the produce the same club head speed properly.

How do they do that?

[Williamevanl]

To add to my point... A random sample...



All of the people above except for the tiger are obviously powering the club with their upper body on an off plane swing. I'm in there too about midway between being way above plane to where I am now which is at or below. The motions that put the club in the above positions seems to be a more powerfull one because the shot is powered by pecs,biceps,triceps etc... You know *man muscles* that allow you absolutely power throught the ball at ~125 swing speed but requires some compensations that makes this type of swing inconsistent but really fast.

Tiger and a lot of pro's generate 125 mph club head speed but they somehow do it without using hardly any upperbody strength until the hit that position ^ in the downswing.

So here's the deal, before I could generate tiger's club head speed with a faulty swing, now I can generate tiger's position with an on plane swing. But, how in the hell do you achieve both?