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I just went through a similar scenario with my irons, and here's what I learned through the process.

I played with SGI clubs for 2 years that were standard length, and were actually 1" too long for me. I am now playing with Player's Cavity Backs that absolutely punish off center shots. I did this to make myself improve my ball striking with a little forgiveness. They are actually less forgiving than I thought, but make me work on my irons, so it's OK. I won't go back to SGI irons just because I'm not hitting the ball correctly.

I started hitting the ball off the toe right after I bought the new clubs. I attributed this to the fact that I was playing with clubs that were too long for so long, that I automatically line up a little too far away from the ball. I also tend to swing outside/in, and that contributes as well. I have nice scars on my new clubs on the chrome toe from errant shots. I don't blame the clubs, they are much better clubs, and they strike the ball well when I make contact on the face.

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A couple of thoughts, the hook makes sense to me because if you hit off the toe you loose it right most of he time, as you "focus" to correct that you snap or pull hook it out of a conscious intent to correct for the toe hit. I swing down on my real swing, practice is a graceful thing of beauty but the real swing comes in closer than the practice swing and I hit off the toe. I now set up with the ball nestled close to the hosel and when I swing I hit the sweet spot. Simple fix for a swing issue that I have with any iron.

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A couple of thoughts, the hook makes sense to me because if you hit off the toe you loose it right most of he time, as you "focus" to correct that you snap or pull hook it out of a conscious intent to correct for the toe hit. I swing down on my real swing, practice is a graceful thing of beauty but the real swing comes in closer than the practice swing and I hit off the toe. I now set up with the ball nestled close to the hosel and when I swing I hit the sweet spot. Simple fix for a swing issue that I have with any iron.

as much as we might think its the indian not the arrow, I think in the case it is not

I am a 4 or so hcp and like mentioned before, I strike the ball VERY well the only change has been the clubs i am not about to change my swing to make the new clubs fit i will use clubs that fit my swing - wether that is getting them fit or not I have always played off the rack clubs and never had an issue - but the Mizzy's...they are different for sure
"My swing is homemade - but I have perfect flaws!" - Me

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ok heres the plan

I just bought some MINT MP 32's on ebay (8, 9, PW) for $145 for all 3
i will get the lies checked on them all and make them the same as what my Nike PFC's were

so my set will be:

MP 57 4-7
MP 32 8-PW

figued it was cheaper to do this rather than buy new clubs
ill make these bad boys work awesome!!!
"My swing is homemade - but I have perfect flaws!" - Me

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