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Hey guys I would love to get some feedback on my swing. I know the video is not the best but I'd love to hear any comments you have. The first is my driver swing and the second is my 7 iron.

thanks!

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Can't really tell if your right knee is flailing backwards or straightening. It should be straightening (I'm talking about the backswing here).

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Can't really tell if your right knee is flailing backwards or straightening. It should be straightening (I'm talking about the backswing here).

I see what you mean. I think I'm doing a bit of both to be honest with you. I feel as though I try to keep my lower body relatively quiet but I'm not sure how successful I really am that.


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Can you shoot the videos again with a cameron that is level? To be honest, the angle of the camera makes it difficult to analyze where you are at in your swing.

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Can you shoot the videos again with a cameron that is level? To be honest, the angle of the camera makes it difficult to analyze where you are at in your swing.

NO. Just kidding. I will try to shoot some more videos. And during daylight next time too. I was doing the old "set the camera on my bag" thing and it wasn't going that well :)


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NO. Just kidding. I will try to shoot some more videos. And during daylight next time too. I was doing the old "set the camera on my bag" thing and it wasn't going that well :)

I'd also recommend you avoid asking your fiance to hold it. Turns out that isn't much of a great date.

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Simple faults here, none of them real awful.

To me, it seems your body turn is more of a formality, not a power source. You come down all at once, with the club pretty much staying right there with your hands, arms, and hips. The hips should lead, followed by the arms, then hands, and the clubhead should follow them all. This leads to that pull-slice. The ball starts left, then turns right. It's easy to fix, yet it seems few ever fix it.

I would say, if you want something to work on, work on really getting the body involved. Make swings where you use the body alone, forget working the hands and arms. The impact will feel much softer if you do it right. It will feel a bit strange, but it's a heck of a lot easier to control.

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While hitting the driver, at the top of the backswing, I think that you kinda move your head to much on the right....
And it really cool how those balls come out from the ground.... :)

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I'd also recommend you avoid asking your fiance to hold it. Turns out that isn't much of a great date.

You say this from experience? I already married the fiance so that's out. :)


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Simple faults here, none of them real awful.

I can definitely see what you mean, Shanks. I just don't know how to separate those elements. Do you have any tips for drills specific to this? thanks.


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Hey All,

I'm looking for some help with my swing. I have been just awful on the course lately. I've never been great, but have always been striving to improve. Lately I feel like I'm in reverse. I've been hitting irons 45 degrees right, chunking shots like crazy, severe hooks, etc. I'm looking for some consistency and confidence...I'm getting tired of embarrassing myself :)

I appreciate any feedback. Thanks!


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From the looks of it, and this is just me rewinding and pausing youtube, but it looks like your takeaway may be to far to the outside. I would recommend not taking such a big back swing. It looks like the combination of those 2 leads to bad position starting the downswing and is giving you the inconsistency.

Any other thoughts out there?

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I saw that ball come out of the ground and thought, "Did that really happen?"

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You have a very armsy swing--can result in much badness if timing is off. Turn more with the shoulders and hips and feel like your hands go in. See deep hands thread [URL]http://thesandtrap.com/t/30325/deep-hands-explained[/URL]

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Originally Posted by LongballPro

From the looks of it, and this is just me rewinding and pausing youtube, but it looks like your takeaway may be to far to the outside. I would recommend not taking such a big back swing. It looks like the combination of those 2 leads to bad position starting the downswing and is giving you the inconsistency.

Any other thoughts out there?


thanks. I was wondering about this myself. What's amazing (hilarious?) about your back swing advice is that I know I have way too long of a back swing and that was me trying to take a smaller back swing.


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Originally Posted by bunkerputt

I saw that ball come out of the ground and thought, "Did that really happen?"



Indeed. It's sort of nice, but it can really lead you to fire shot after shot without thinking about anything. I usually pull 5 out at a time, hit those and then take a quick break to make sure I don't start mindlessly swatting balls.


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Originally Posted by uttexas

You have a very armsy swing--can result in much badness if timing is off. Turn more with the shoulders and hips and feel like your hands go in.

See deep hands thread

http://thesandtrap.com/t/30325/deep-hands-explained



Yeah, looking at my videos, especially face on was pretty eye opening when I saw how little hip movement I have. I suppose this has a lot to do with my inconsistencies.

The deep hands thing is interesting in that it seems practically the opposite of what I feel I am doing in the take away. I feel like I am trying to take the club straight back and "push" my hands away from my body. I don't know if that makes any sense but that's what it feels like I am doing.


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Originally Posted by uttexas

You have a very armsy swing--can result in much badness if timing is off. Turn more with the shoulders and hips and feel like your hands go in.

See deep hands thread

http://thesandtrap.com/t/30325/deep-hands-explained



So, after reading the deep hands thread I went and hit a few shots tonight.Can anyone tell any difference from the previous videos? I FELT like I was taking the club way more inside and trying to get some more hip action but the videos don't look that different. I was definitely making way more consistent contact tonight. My back swing still looks way too long; I need to keep working on that. Also, yes, that is a star taped to my shirt. My 5-year old son taped it on my golf bag and then it got stuck on my shirt and I didn't realize it until sometime later


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