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Got back from the range with the usual some-good-some-bad results. One thing I'm wondering about is a pretty dramatic change in ball flight with my irons. There's only a negligible loss of distance, now, but the trajectory is significantly higher than it used to be.

At first, I thought I was flipping at it, but that doesn't seem to be the case -- Nice happy divots after the ball. Perhaps I just got used to delofting, before? I moved from strong to neutral grip.

Not complaining at all, maybe I can finally stick a green or two rather than bounding right across them. Just curious as to what's physically going on, there.

Meanwhile, I've started fighting a bit of a slice -- Thinking I developed an OTT move when fighting the grip-induced pull-hooks? Preliminary results are still promising, but when I get out of whack and skiv off a banana slice it's frustrating as hell.

Although... My slice is actually closer to being in the fairway than my more vicious hooks ever were.

Oh! Another question: I'm still hitting the occasional dead push despite major grip overhaul. Isn't that... ODD?

Currently in my bag:  Under Revision


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There are a lot of reasons the ball flight can come up. With the exact same setup and a nearly identical swing I can change the trajectory of a 7-iron 15-20 degrees just by staying in flexion a bit longer through the hit or by really extending everything - back, knees, ankles, neck, arms, etc.

A strong grip doesn't help though, and some amateurs overstate what percentage of de-lofting is required. The delofting pros do isn't as severe as many seem to think.

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There are a lot of reasons the ball flight can come up. With the exact same setup and a nearly identical swing I can change the trajectory of a 7-iron 15-20 degrees just by staying in flexion a bit longer through the hit or by really extending everything - back, knees, ankles, neck, arms, etc.

Thanks -- Didn't figure it'd be a simple answer. (Is it ever? Haha.) My grip change involved literally about an inch and a half, close to two inches of weakening. I was also working semi-consciously on extensor action with the left arm (Lefty). Try to work on one thing at a time, but as you know... Something gets into your head and POOF.

Things I've been working on primarily: * Get comfortable with the grip change. * High finish with good left-arm extension through the hit. From how I'm understanding what you've said, the latter might have more to do with it?

Currently in my bag:  Under Revision


If you take a standard 5 iron, 38 inches in length, with a lie of 60 degrees (both numbers from Clubmaker.net), if you forward press 2 degrees than your going to have your hands about 1.15 inches infront of the ball at impact. If you have your hands infront of the ball at impact with a 4 degree tilt, you basically take the 5 iron to a 4 iron loft, then your looking at about 2.3 inches ahead of the ball.

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