My Swing (kennay92)

[reb68]

When is your High School golf season? Did the address changes feel ackward?

[kennay92]

Originally Posted by reb68

When is your High School golf season? Did the address changes feel ackward?

Its already started, have a tourny tuesday actually... And posture didnt feel weird, but the grip did.

[reb68]

dont weaken your grip for the tournament, keep it the same. The posture change will help you in the short run. If you change your grip right now you will hit everything to the right and will hate me. Takes at least two weeks for grip changes to be tournament ready. Change the posture and just shorten your backswing. Do you play other sports? What? How long have  you been playing?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by reb68

Most incorrect golf swing motions are a series of compensation for faulty address fundamentals

How do you figure? Pros have won majors with incredibly strong grips and incredibly weak grips. Pros have won majors slumped over at address and feeling very rigid at address. There's virtually NO commonality among the setup positions of the best golfers in the world.

FWIW kennay, your grip is a little strong, but it's down on the list of priorities and since you said your miss is an occasional SLICE, changing the grip now may result in bigger issues. And some pros play with a strong grip, and it's NOT the cause of hitting the ball fat.

Originally Posted by reb68

Second, I want you to focus on getting your chin and chest taller. Lift your chin at address and puff your chest out.

Don't do that. Continue to look at the ball out of the center of your eyes. Lifting your chin up serves no real purpose except to make it difficult to see the ball out of your central vision. Sticking your chest out makes no sense either. Why? Be vary wary of people who not only tell you that you have "six months" of work ahead of you but also tell you to do things without telling you why.

Ben Hogan didn't put his chin up and stand super stiff with his chest puffed out. Nor Arnold Palmer. I could go on...

[iacas]

BTW, I specifically chose Grant in this picture because his hands are even a little too far "in" to him... and they're still not hanging like your arms.

[kennay92]

(im guessing you combined my old thread?)

Originally Posted by iacas

BTW, I specifically chose Grant in this picture because his hands are even a little too far "in" to him... and they're still not hanging like your arms.

Yes ive greatly noted how high my shaft comes in and it causes a lot of toe divots. But what exactly do you mean my arms hang inside my arms, and what exactly would be forward ankle flexion.?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by kennay92

(im guessing you combined my old thread?)

Them's the rules, yes.

Originally Posted by kennay92

Yes ive greatly noted how high my shaft comes in and it causes a lot of toe divots. But what exactly do you mean my arms hang inside my arms, and what exactly would be forward ankle flexion.?

Inside your shoulders, meant to type. Sorry.

Forward ankle flexion? Look at the picture. Your legs are straight up and down. Flex your ankles forward. Less |, more /.

[kennay92]

Originally Posted by iacas

Them's the rules, yes.

Inside your shoulders, meant to type. Sorry.

Forward ankle flexion? Look at the picture. Your legs are straight up and down. Flex your ankles forward. Less |, more /.

so be more like im sitting in chair pretty much and put my arms more out in front of me? Thanks!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by kennay92

so be more like im sitting in chair pretty much and put my arms more out in front of me? Thanks!

No. Forward flexion at the ankles. Not sticking your butt out more. Knees sticking out farther. Arms father out too. It'll probably feel like your weight is on your toes but in reality it will be more centralized.

Originally Posted by reb68

When did I tell him to get "stiff". I think he needs to be more upright to restrict his arm swing which is too long and is the cause of casting on the downswing.

You told him to lift up his chin and puff out his chest. Why you'd want someone to have to look at the ball out of the bottom of his eyes is beyond me.

Also, he'd restrict his arm swing if he swung his hands deeper. Players who lift their arms out in order to get "width" often have long swings. We see it - and fix it - all the time. You can't overswing if you maintain pressure point four against your chest (left arm against chest) and don't let it ride up too high.

Originally Posted by reb68

Regarding length of time to make a major swing change, six months is a conservative estimate. Given his age and athletic ability he will improve much more rapidly.

And yet, in person, we'd be disappointed if he wasn't able to begin hitting better shots in six swings.

Originally Posted by reb68

Yes, you are correct that players with setup flaws have won majors, but they made swing compensations to get it done.

So now Ben Hogan had flaws in his setup? C'mon. They're not flaws.

[kennay92]

ahhhhhhhhhh dono who to listen too! hahaha. Guess im going with erik on this one. To Erik- what would you say about the problem at the top of my swing as reb68 has been saying?

[reb68]

Shortening your backswing is all I was really driving. That is the root cause of the early release. By the way, if you have only been playing ten months you have a great swing and have no limit to your potential. What other sports do you play?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by kennay92

ahhhhhhhhhh dono who to listen too! hahaha. Guess im going with erik on this one. To Erik- what would you say about the problem at the top of my swing as reb68 has been saying?

Look, I think you should find someone you trust nearby and take lessons in person. Teaching by showing you a few pictures and typing some things up while I'm trying to watch House at the same time is not the best method. ;-)

You overflex your right arm. Fix your setup a little and feel like your right arm stays straight the entire backswing, like it never bends at all. Film that and get back to us. Odds are you'll be surprised at how much it bends and you'll have to keep doing it more and more.

[kennay92]

Originally Posted by iacas

Look, I think you should find someone you trust nearby and take lessons in person. Teaching by showing you a few pictures and typing some things up while I'm trying to watch House at the same time is not the best method. ;-)

You overflex your right arm. Fix your setup a little and feel like your right arm stays straight the entire backswing, like it never bends at all. Film that and get back to us. Odds are you'll be surprised at how much it bends and you'll have to keep doing it more and more.

This to create more width in my swing and im guessing shorten it? And should i also be focusing as well on still driving my hips forward more and mainting lag with all this as we discussed earlier or are those not priority right now?

[reb68]

He is right with your natural ability, find a good teacher in your area, preferably one that has a track record and a stable of junior and college players on his roster. Professional instruction that I disagree with is better than no instruction at all. Where do you live?

[kennay92]

Originally Posted by reb68

He is right with your natural ability, find a good teacher in your area, preferably one that has a track record and a stable of junior and college players on his roster. Obviously there is much dissention in this arena of ideas. I have already been labeled to have no credibility (this is going to confuse the hundreds of past and current students which have shot the best rounds of their life after my lessons). Professional instruction that I disagree with is better than no instruction at all. Where do you live?

i live in northwest houston,tx... I wouldnt say that I have all that much money to pay for lessons though :/

[iacas]

Originally Posted by kennay92

This to create more width in my swing and im guessing shorten it? And should i also be focusing as well on still driving my hips forward more and mainting lag with all this as we discussed earlier or are those not priority right now?

People almost always hit the ball fat for one of two reasons.

Their weight isn't far enough forward or they've lost the flying wedge. You lose the flying wedge AND your weight could go forward more. The bigger problem is your wedge. I'd work on shortening the backswing right now. Combine that with the "hit and stop" drill where you can check your wedge post-impact.

Straight arms on the backswing (again, you'll be surprised how far it will still go), straight arms (and stop before your left arm even hits horizontal). Should look like this:

[kennay92]

Originally Posted by iacas

People almost always hit the ball fat for one of two reasons.

Their weight isn't far enough forward or they've lost the flying wedge. You lose the flying wedge AND your weight could go forward more. The bigger problem is your wedge. I'd work on shortening the backswing right now. Combine that with the "hit and stop" drill where you can check your wedge post-impact.

Straight arms on the backswing (again, you'll be surprised how far it will still go), straight arms (and stop before your left arm even hits horizontal). Should look like this:

Awesome thanks, if you ever come to houston for some random reason erik. Let me know, may find some money to pay you for lesson or two

[iacas]

Originally Posted by kennay92

Awesome thanks, if you ever come to houston for some random reason erik. Let me know, may find some money to pay you for lesson or two

We're flying in to Houston (or San Antonio... to do a two-day school at The Quarry in San Antonio on March 19/20) on the 17th. Edel putter fitting training on the 18th.

You should come to the school. You'll get better quickly. Send me a PM and we'll see what kind of rate we can put together...