Seriously, how can Tiger drive it so poorly?

[sean_miller]

I am no swing coach, but I think Tiger always had some minor fundamental flaws. I think he was gifted with the athleticism to swing through those flaws for many years, and he had that undeniable determination to beat everyone silly. The guy has the mentality of assassin on the golf course. I have never seen anyone like him, not even Jack.

How old ARE you? I read old an golf magazine article where Jack refused to vote in their poll for best player in each category (driving, irons, putting, bunker play, etc.). He refused since you couldn't vote for yourself and even if you could, you had to vote for a different player in each category. In his opinion he was the best player in several categories. On any given Sunday, he was right.

[JWL1957]

How old ARE you? I read old an golf magazine article where Jack refused to vote in their poll for best player in each category (driving, irons, putting, bunker play, etc.). He refused since you couldn't vote for yourself and even if you could, you had to vote for a different player in each category. In his opinion he was the best player in several categories. On any given Sunday, he was right.

Im 52 and have watched Jack since the late 60's. Jack in my opinion, is the best long iron player of all time, and probably the best clutch putter I have ever seen. His course management needs no mentioning..... nobody came close. His short game was "iffy" at times.... but good enough.

I was refering to Tiger's mentality, not his game compared to Jack's. Jack would often just let everyone around him fold up on thier own. Tiger's game has always been more provocative in the sense that he not only wanted them to fold, but he wanted to demoralize them as well.

[TN94z]

Im 52 and have watched Jack since the late 60's. Jack in my opinion, is the best long iron player of all time, and probably the best clutch putter I have ever seen. His course management needs no mentioning..... nobody came close. His short game was "iffy" at times.... but good enough.

I thought Johnny Miller was the greatest iron player of all time.......

[sean_miller]

I thought Johnny Miller was the greatest iron player of all time.......

For a brief time he was, but then again Nick Price, Nick Faldo, Ray Floyd, Tiger Woods, and many other can say that.

BTW - he said long irons - even though Hogan is famous for one particular 1-iron shot, there's noone who holds a candle to Nicklaus with a long iron, not even Watson.

[JWL1957]

I thought Johnny Miller was the greatest iron player of all time.......

Iron play has generally been broken into 3 catagories. Long-middle-short

Johhny was good in his heyday.

[TN94z]

For a brief time he was, but then again Nick Price, Nick Faldo, Ray Floyd, Tiger Woods, and many other can say that.

Iron play has generally been broken into 3 catagories. Long-middle-short

I was being sarcastic.

[sean_miller]

I was being sarcastic.

I suspected 63 you were, but 63 thought maybe 63 all of his 63 brainwashing on 63 Sundays was 63 working.

[TN94z]

I suspected 63 you were, but 63 thought maybe 63 all of his 63 brainwashing on 63 Sundays was 63 working.

Haha!!! I better stop reading that or it will brain wash me!

[JWL1957]

I was being sarcastic.

ahhhh....... lol

[InTheFairway]

Tiger's average driving distance for 2009 was just a hair under 300 yard and he was T21 in driving distance. He isn't listed in 2010, probably has not played enough. But the tour average is 286.9 yards (per the PGATOUR web site) and that includes drives not in the fairway. As to who dominates the tour only two of the top ten in driving distance appear in the top ten in scoring average. I believe Tiger himself said in a press interview at one time that hitting fairways was not that important if you carried the drive far enough. I suppose that is true if you keep it in play. I would suspect that GIR is a more important statistic.

Well I think that not being in the fairway is definitely important in major championships, where you get punished for being in the rough. There are times when you can get away with it where you are lucky enough to be in the intermediate cut or caught a good lie and your miss has to give you a good angle to the pin. He definitely is one of the longer hitters just like Phil or Ernie maybe not the longest in terms of statistical driving distance but if you look at the top 5 on the money list those guys are all capable of putting it out there 300+ yards when they need to. The par 5s is where they feast on for these guys and separates them from the herd. That's part of the reason Tiger has moved away from a softer ball to regain the advantage he used to have in distance.