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Posted

Hey Sand Trap,

I'm looking for some knowledgeable swing guru's to give me some feedback on my swing.

Today was my first day swinging a club again since last fall. I hit a few balls out of my bucket and then had my friend use my phone to record a couple swings.

Does anyone have any feedback on what I could do to improve my swing, or what I am already doing good at?

I typically shoot about a 95. Usually between 91-102. 91 being my best ever. Lookin to break 90 this year with some help!

Here are the videos's

7 Iron from Front at normal speed and slo-mo

7 Iron from Back at normal speed and slo-mo


Posted

Check back in a day or two. Your swing looks repeatable, naturally athletic, and really close to being quite good - I don't have the tools (software and vocabulary) to tell you what to work on, but if nobody else comments in the next day or two, I'll give it a go.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


Posted

well if your trying to break 90 you might want to concentrate on your short game and course management...your seem capable of getting it up to the green in a couple of shots...but for a player trying to break 90 I would really work on the short game and try to not 3 putt...work on lag putting...also be smart out there, examples: if there is trouble right and a whole other fairway to the left then aim left and try to hit it up the left side, or if you get into trouble just deal with and pitch out or what ever you need to do and go on, dont try and hit the miracle shot. Also don't be embarrassed to hit an iron or wood off the tee.  If you can get up and down for par just a couple of times a round and only have one (maybe two) three parts then I bet you will break 90 this year.

As far as the swing goes...your stance looks a little wide, maybe try an narrow it up a little, also it looks like you kind of sway backwards and then back forward, try and stay still, meaning just turn back and turn through keeping your head still, and make sure you follow all the way through (narrowing your stance may help with that)


Posted

well if your trying to break 90 you might want to concentrate on your short game and course management...your seem capable of getting it up to the green in a couple of shots...but for a player trying to break 90 I would really work on the short game and try to not 3 putt...work on lag putting...also be smart out there, examples: if there is trouble right and a whole other fairway to the left then aim left and try to hit it up the left side, or if you get into trouble just deal with and pitch out or what ever you need to do and go on, dont try and hit the miracle shot. Also don't be embarrassed to hit an iron or wood off the tee.  If you can get up and down for par just a couple of times a round and only have one (maybe two) three parts then I bet you will break 90 this year.

As far as the swing goes...your stance looks a little wide, maybe try an narrow it up a little, also it looks like you kind of sway backwards and then back forward, try and stay still, meaning just turn back and turn through keeping your head still, and make sure you follow all the way through (narrowing your stance may help with that)


Posted


  sean_miller said:
Originally Posted by sean_miller

Check back in a day or two. Your swing looks repeatable, naturally athletic, and really close to being quite good - I don't have the tools (software and vocabulary) to tell you what to work on, but if nobody else comments in the next day or two, I'll give it a go.


Thanks that'd be awesome. I love to hear some things that I could begin to work on. I'd love to work on one at a time and see if I can put them all together by end of the season.


Originally Posted by P-Town Golfer

well if your trying to break 90 you might want to concentrate on your short game and course management...your seem capable of getting it up to the green in a couple of shots...but for a player trying to break 90 I would really work on the short game and try to not 3 putt...work on lag putting...also be smart out there, examples: if there is trouble right and a whole other fairway to the left then aim left and try to hit it up the left side, or if you get into trouble just deal with and pitch out or what ever you need to do and go on, dont try and hit the miracle shot. Also don't be embarrassed to hit an iron or wood off the tee.  If you can get up and down for par just a couple of times a round and only have one (maybe two) three parts then I bet you will break 90 this year.

As far as the swing goes...your stance looks a little wide, maybe try an narrow it up a little, also it looks like you kind of sway backwards and then back forward, try and stay still, meaning just turn back and turn through keeping your head still, and make sure you follow all the way through (narrowing your stance may help with that)


Yeah, that is my goal this year. With about a week left in last season, I finally came across the concept on 'Course Management'. I've ordered 'A Round of Golf with Tommy Armour' and it's on its way.I'm hoping to get about ~4 hours practice in a week. Likely 45-60 minutes on the range, and the other 3 others split between putting and chipping/pitching around the greens.

Unfortunately the green were wait to hairy and rocky with many rough patches today, that I just ended up getting a bucket.


Posted

sorry for the double post there is a storm going through and the internet went out for a moment, but you can practice chipping and stuff without a green, just lay an empty bucket down or anything and try landing it in that spot and just get a feel


  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Alright, so I first posted a video of my swing back on Apr 22, 2011 during my first day back on the range. It's been two weeks that I've been working on a couple of things.

1) Trying to bring the club back not so much on the inside (due to a reverse weight shift/pivot)

2) Not release the club so early

After comparing the videos... it's as if nothing has changed

I think I'm doing a little better on #1. In the video the club head goes behind my body two weeks ago. Now it isn't too bad.

As for the release, it looks like its exactly the same.

Can anyone explain to me how to fix my release, and not release the club so early? Are there any drills or 'concepts' you can put into my head that will help me in this area? I tried swinging my club like a bat lightly to feel the clubhead and find the natural release but my swing looks much like it did 2 weeks ago.


  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Alright, this will be the third video of my swing I have posted this season. As a quick recap, I've been working on taking the club back more on plane and not so much inside (solved between 1st and 2nd post), fixing a reverse weight shift, and now attempting to not release the club so early/not scoop the ball into the air.

Here's a picture of two weeks ago{left} and tonight{right} at impact .

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I drew a line coming up through the middle of the ball on both of these. The line of the right side is the exact middle of the ball, it's just looks behind the ball because the ball has actually been hit already and is also compressed at this point. I used the previous frame in the video to draw the line up from the middle of the ball at address.

Any comments here? I notice three things that are different, which I believe are desirable. My hands are now more slightly ahead of the ball. Does this mean I am not releasing the club as early now and creating more lag?

Secondly, my head is a bit more back of the ball now too as well. Any comments here? I believe I have heard this is desirable but know nothing of it. Any expertise in this area anyone?

Thirdly, it appears my shoulders are possibly a little more square to the ball at impact. 2 weeks ago, it looks as though my shoulders might be a shade open. Any comments?

I just noticed a potential fourth but I can't tell. It looks like now my hips may be more open as well. Possibly from not initiating the swing with the shoulders, and moreso the hips?

Also, my right foot looks to be more off the ground at impact now. Is this a problem?

Lastly, a question about the video. While fixing my reverse weight shift, it looks as though I am now pulling my heel up from the ground. Watch MY left (the far right foot) on the right video between 0:07-0:10. Is this a problem? Should I curb this right away?

Also, 2 weeks ago I was starting my shoulders on the downswing at about the same time as the hips. Now in an effort to start my hips first, am I beginning it too early (before the backswing is even complete)?


Posted

What software do you use to do the side by side comparison?

Sorry I don't have much to say about your swing I am struggling with my own. I do practice at the same range as you though :)


Posted

Chris, what have you been doing to get your hands more forward at impact and work on your club release?

Brandon

Brandon a.k.a. Tony Stark

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The Fastest Flip in the West


Posted


  El Mucho said:
Originally Posted by El Mucho

What software do you use to do the side by side comparison?

Sorry I don't have much to say about your swing I am struggling with my own. I do practice at the same range as you though :)


Atlanta Thrashers here we come! Now that that's out of the way...

I'm using Sony Vegas 10.0. I'm no expert on how to use it. Dragging videos onto the time track, splitting, and deleting etc is very straightforward. I watched a couple youtube clips on sony vegas for how to do the side by sides, and how to mute the slow motion part only (otherwise it sounds very weird).

If you're interested in lessons check out Jim Roy at H&S.; I took a few last year, and am taking a few more this year. His prices are quite cheap (3 for ~100), includes a medium bucket in the 30 minute lesson. I've had one early this year but have mostly been working on my swing my own through video.


Posted


  bplewis24 said:
Originally Posted by bplewis24

Chris, what have you been doing to get your hands more forward at impact and work on your club release?

Brandon

I think it's come from visualizing swinging from "7 o'clock to 1 o'clock". Earlier this year, I was swinging on an outside to in swing path. I fixed my back swing and got into the proper position at the top of the swing, but was still coming down from the outside. I started getting the hips to come through first, and that lessened the angle of my outside to in divots but it still wasn't perfect. I was still swinging '5 to 11'. My follow through was 'not shortened' but what I would call 'tighter or in close to the body'... as opposed to 'following the ball down the line'.  However, knowing this still didn't help me. It wasn't until I began to visualize swinging 'from 7 to 1' that a couple of good things happened for me. One... all my divots are now dead straight... it's awesome. Two... because I stay 'down on the ball' more now as opposed to 'scooping' or having that tighter chicken wing follow through... my hands are now ahead of the ball at impact.


Posted

Okay, it sounds like we are both working through the same issues with similar remedies.  Glad to see you progressing.  It's actually taking me much more time to get this down.

Brandon

Brandon a.k.a. Tony Stark

-------------------------

The Fastest Flip in the West


Posted

Yeah, I think it's definitely been worth the price. I have never been to another instructor so I have nothing to compare against, but he's definitely done some good things for my swing.

When I put my first video up 4+ weeks ago, I got about 40 comments across the internet. I got many varied responses of what to work on... but the majority boiled down to 'don't bring the club back so far inside' and 'you're coming over the top at the start and starting on an outside plane'.

Well... I tried to not bring my club back on the inside and it wouldn't work. It was the weirdest thing ever, as that should be the easiest thing to fix ever.

When I went for lessons, the first thing Jim noticed was I had a reverse weight shift / reverse pivot. I was leaving all my weight on my front foot throughout the whole swing. Once he corrected that, the club automatically began to travel back on the right line and 'point at the camera when parallel with the ground'. Take a look at my first post, 2nd video, and notice how much i take the club inside. Then in my next video post, take a look at the first video. You can see fixing the reverse weight shift corrected bringing the club back extremely inside.

It's nice to have the combination. I think there are just some things that can't be picked up on video, and often on the internet you can get varied and differing opinions. I had a lot of people pointing out 'an effect' but none were mentioning the cause. I think a lesson once a month this summer will be perfect. In the 4 weeks between I can work on things using video and learning on my own (the best way to retain things) and then when my lessons comes I have a bunch of questions to ask to help myself understand why something does what it does, what to work on, and get a summary of my current swing and what I should be working on for the next month.

I bought the 3 lessons for $100. Another thing you can do with Jim, is use a lesson as a split lesson if you want. For example, you could bring along a family member or a friend and split the 30 minute lesson to 15 minutes each. I'm definitely going to be doing this once I feel like I don't need as much help anymore, which I'm already beginning to feel. I've got a lot of stuff that I already know I want to work on.


Posted

Thanks for the information. I have been trying to get my wife out to learn the game so a split lesson would be awesome.


Posted

I've struggled with releasing my wrists to early for a long time. I've fixed it really simply by sometimes when I'm on the range focusing solely on my wrists and making sure they don't unhinge until the bottom of the swing, not really a very good drill but it seemed to help me.

It seems to me that in your improved down the line shot your planes are still a little bit messed up. If you notice at the top of your swing in the newer one your club is not pointing down the target line, but then you end up bringing the club straight down that same plane which is not parallel to your target line. It could be an optical illusion sort of since it looks like you don't quite get your club to parallel with the ground. All you really need is that plane your club comes down on to go roughly straight through your target line.

I think that your foot is coming up simply because you are making a bigger stronger turn. It may be lack of flexibility in your core but i don't really know for sure.

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Posted

Yeah, that down the line video is from 2 weeks ago. I just posted a straight on video this time. I hadn't planned to take any video, but was hitting so nice I decided to take the phone out and shoot a couple swings. My backswing and plane since the last 2 weeks are much improved. Once I get my high speed camera this weekend I plan to take some video of both angles and post them.


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