Having trouble drawing the ball with the driver

[poser]

Thats great you own your swing and thats what everyone strives for.  If you are playing to a 5 handicap you are already better than 95% people playing the game.  If you can control the trajectory and curve however you do it really doesn't matter.

[permarkc]

Thank you sir,

I can and do and dont have a clue why it works...fun to try and figure out tho.... now if it screws me up thinkin about it......naw....

Originally Posted by poser

Thats great you own your swing and thats what everyone strives for.  If you are playing to a 5 handicap you are already better than 95% people playing the game.  If you can control the trajectory and curve however you do it really doesn't matter.

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by permarkc

Im not going to argue with you, I am no physics major by any means....I dont know why it works, I just know I have a lot of control to draw and fade a ball....and most of it comes ,for me anyways, from a closed stance, inside out swing for a draw...

In my experience, most amateurs already align themselves right of the target at address. My guess is, you're aligned right of the target and if you're trying to play a draw, you aim even further right of the target than you were previously. With your closed clubface and inside-out swing path, you're going to hit a shot that takes off right of your target and draws back. It has no choice but to start right of the target because you are aligned way right of the target. So why it may feel like it takes off right and draws back (and it does in relation to your target), in reality, you're likely hitting a little straight or pull-draw.

That's the only explanation I can think of, anyway. Either way, as long as you're able to make it work and duplicate it time after time, it really doesn't matter.

[Keyser]

The article makes total sense to me. My miss is a straight slice. Now I know why I draw or hook the ball trying not to hit houses on the left of the fairway. :-D

[Dr. Strangeclub]

Just another thought.  With a driver, I don't seem to have to do much more than play the ball a bit more off my left heel rather than the toe to get it to draw.  The club naturally reaches a more outward path at impact, so it draws.  For a fade, I move the ball just outside my stance, ala Nicklaus, and the club is moving across the line, slightly to the inside at impact.  Nothing very dramatic involved at all.  A more pronounced hook or big fade requires more diddling, but not a lot.  I don't get a high draw out of it, or a low fade, but it's easy to get it moving with the curvature I want.  (In any case, like Westwood, "I hate the high draw." )

[permarkc]

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

In my experience, most amateurs already align themselves right of the target at address. My guess is, you're aligned right of the target and if you're trying to play a draw, you aim even further right of the target than you were previously. With your closed clubface and inside-out swing path, you're going to hit a shot that takes off right of your target and draws back. It has no choice but to start right of the target because you are aligned way right of the target. So why it may feel like it takes off right and draws back (and it does in relation to your target), in reality, you're likely hitting a little straight or pull-draw.

That's the only explanation I can think of, anyway. Either way, as long as you're able to make it work and duplicate it time after time, it really doesn't matter.

I do know I exagerate the inside out or the outside in, as well as the open or closed stance, but the club face, for me anyway, still has to be directly facing the target at address. Now, what happens to the face during my swing is another issue altogether and without a good high speed camera, and being able to slow it frame by frame, I havent got a clue. I can, however, create a very large draw or fade, draw a little more than fade, and have actually made many shots to the greens from 130-170 out being directly behind trees that I had to go around. ( does that mean I am behind trees a lot?)......With the heat we been having I tell my wife I am playing to the shade........she actually caddies for me....seriously....It is almost priceless when a playing partner thinks I am screwed having to chip out to the fairway, and they see my ball fade or draw around the trees to the intended target....That is also not to say that occasionally I dont get the draw or fade and the ball ends up on the next tee box or waaaaay out in the woods....it happens...When it does all come together, I enjoy looking them right in the eye and saying, "This game is soooo easy!".....