My Swing (Karlsson)

[Karlsson]

I've been Playing Golf for: 1 year (played 10 years ago)

My current handicap index or average score is: 18hcp

My typical ball flight is: A bit more the the right than I aim, I slice the drives 2 of 5.

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: The Tee slice and the uneven Iron shots, sometimes I make bad contact on the ball making it go hard to the right (not often).

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My problem is uneven strokes, I feel that I dont have a concistant way of standing in front of the ball and therefor can hit it from a wrong angel. Looking on the video I think my arms are to close to the body on the back swing and the front swing seems short and "breaked"?

Also inlclued only one iron video, the batterys was bad.

First some swing in full tempo and then in half,

Videos:

[1player]

swing looks pretty good

your legs though are very spead, not what I do, since to me swing arc is maximized by having a more upright setup

the only thing that looks obvious is the ball position

you're inside left heel, and usually a big hitter on dirver is more forward ball position

so it could be as simple as that, the head will square up more if you push the ball a little forward

that's my first suggestion

if it works

which it may

simple fix

if that doesn't get it close to what you want

you do have hips that are not rotated properly at impact

probably the #1 flaw all amateurs have

the advanced/pro golfer has their hips almost if not facing the target at impact, the position your hips are in when your follow through is almost waist high AFTER IMPACT

just look at impact positions of rory and a young tiger

where are their hips at impact

facing the target, where your's are well past impact

that's a much harder fix

ball position is a start, that could get the hips firing faster

if not

then try to create that late hinge lag before impact by having the hips properly rotated and facing the target

looks close though lots of good stuff you are doing right

[Karlsson]

Thanks. Have also noticed my stance to be a bit wide while playing but often forget to correct this.

How about the front swing? Looking at the video the tempo slows down alot at impact and the club rotation end early. Looking at pros they alomst hit themselves in the back while ending the swing. Feel that I lack a bit length in my strokes. Often play with a player of the same index, same height, who swing slower but still often puts the ball. 260yards where I often 240-250 which is repeated if we trade drivers or irons. Looking at our swings I should hit a bit longer but must be losing length in some way.

[mdl]

Swing looks pretty smooth and overall pretty solid for an 18.  What strikes me is that your swing is very arms and shoulders driven.  You don't get much hip rotation on the back swing and your shoulders are very flat at the top.  Then to me it looks like you drive the down swing with the arms, hands, and shoulders.  Hard to tell with the low frame speed, but it looks to me like you're flipping early too, another sign of using the hands too much to control the down swing early.  Getting power by spinning upright and pulling across that way is a very easy way to hit slices.

You should post a down the line view as well.

[1player]

Originally Posted by Karlsson

Thanks. Have also noticed my stance to be a bit wide while playing but often forget to correct this.

How about the front swing? Looking at the video the tempo slows down alot at impact and the club rotation end early. Looking at pros they alomst hit themselves in the back while ending the swing. Feel that I lack a bit length in my strokes. Often play with a player of the same index, same height, who swing slower but still often puts the ball. 260yards where I often 240-250 which is repeated if we trade drivers or irons. Looking at our swings I should hit a bit longer but must be losing length in some way.

if your hips are properly rotated at impact, the club is sling slotting through the hitting zone not decelerating

So get the belt buckle facing target at impact

just look at rory and a young tiger at impact

see how the belt buckle is already facing target

that creates the so-called 'lag' in a pro's swing

that lag is what whips the club through the zone when you are swinging 'loose' at the bottom

you get maximum SS through impact by having the hips fire right, that means, belt buckle facing target at impact

get a rock and skip it on a lake

guess what you are facing the lake and the rock is in the fingers and feel is like a sling shot

it's exactly how you hit a golf ball as to 'feel'

club is mostly in fingers

your belt is facing towards the target

your hands are on the low point of the arch at 'release'

if you get the belt buckle facing the target at impact and the club is in the fingers of your hands

the whip of the downswing will lead to a full follow thru

HIP ROTATION creates SS and full follow thrus

[mdl]

Originally Posted by 1player

if your hips are properly rotated at impact, the club is sling slotting through the hitting zone not decelerating

So get the belt buckle facing target at impact

just look at rory and a young tiger at impact

see how the belt buckle is already facing target

It's not true that the belt buckle is literally facing the target at impact.  Karlsson need's more hip action generally (both push/slide forward and rotation), but even Rory, who's got a relatively bit hip rotation at impact, is still only maybe at 70˚ at impact (if 0˚ is address and 90˚ is down the target line).  For hip action, I'd recommend this thread:

http://thesandtrap.com/t/29616/the-biggest-secret-slide-your-hips

It's taken me years of working to get at least closer to proper hip action (no claim I'm all the way, or maybe even most, of the way there yet!).  But the information in that thread has been a great guide.  Also, this video helped me.  Notice how for the drill he's really exaggerating bumping the hips forward while keeping the head in place and NOT moving the hips towards the ball!  For me at least, a big struggle in getting more hip action has been I naturally want to drive my hips towards the ball when I try to move them down the line more.

I'd say a main issue more hip slide will help you with is giving you space to come down on plane, instead of rotating around and bringing the club from out to in.  Personally I think you need a steeper shoulder plane at the top for this as well.  For me, I want to feel more like I'm coiled under my club, ready to deliver power downwards, instead of coiled in front of my club, ready to deliver power in front of me.  Front shoulder low is a key for that.

[1player]

Did you freeze frame this swing at impact

His belt buckle is facing the ball

Just google

Rory Impact

Or

Tiger Impact

There belt buckle is literally facing the target

Every full swing on a pro is near that position but not as rotated as Tiger and Rory

Belt Buckle facing ball at impact is no hip action worth swinging

I don't care what any article says

You just have to have eyes and an impact position of any great tour player

I've had two teaching pros over the years

Both are in the PGA Hall of Fame

I've played scratch or plus for decades

I'm over 50 and 40 lbs heavier than my playing days

I still routinely drive short par 4's

Anyway saying this kids belt buckle at impact is fine is doing the kid a disservice IMO

Just show me impact photos of a full swing on a young Tiger or Rory where the belt buckle is facing the ball at impact

They don't exist

[iacas]

Originally Posted by 1player

There belt buckle is literally facing the target

No "there" not.

I've got the TPI graphs, the video, and the common sense to prove it.

Facing the target would be hips 90°. Almost nobody is 90°. Jim Furyk is one of the closest, and... most people don't want this impact position:

[1player]

Look at the swings on this site, where are 99% of the hips at impact facing the ball with their belt buckles

That's what almost every 'amateur does

Great LONG HITTERS are almost identical at impact

When I say 'facing the target' with their belt buckle that means literally the hips have fired before impact creating the 'lag' that all the long great hitters have

While not 90o facing the target they are usually in the 60o range at impact and this is what most pro teachers refer to as 'facing the target' at impact with the hips

I know you're the 'admin' and have your own thoughts on 'the golf swing' and have the 5SK thing

But I'm right on this

I know it's your site, but the images don't lie

Very few pro teachers even understand this fact

Its where you got to get in the impact position to 'be great'

And if you search google for 'time pga pros spend practicing putting' your 10% practice time for putting is your own

You blasted me for saying 40% and guess what google shows, it's what the average pro puts into putting

The reason, pros all have a calculator and can figure out 30 putts average a round is approx 40% of 70 strokes

LOL

So stop grinding me up for saying what I said, the goal is to get the belt belting FACING THE TARGET at impact

99% of the 'golfers' on this site showing their swings are square to the ball at impact with their buckles that means they have IMPROPER HIP ROTATION

Nice site you got, but, the pics don't lie

Hips are already FACING THE TARGET not the ball at impact on great players

And it's usually between 60o and 70o, the younger the player the closer to 70o they can get

HOGAN where are hips at impact almost facing the target the greatest ball striker right

Snead one of the greatest swings, his hips at impact facing target

Early Jack FACING the target with belt buckle

Rory, why those in the KNOW say HE IS GREAT, look at that impact position

No matter what Tiger changes in his swing

Guess what he always has

HIPS FACING TOWARD TARGET not ball at impact, if you look his early pics he is way more facing the target than this

[Ernest Jones]

Originally Posted by 1player

Look at the swings on this site, where are 99% of the hips at impact facing the ball with their belt buckles

That's what almost every 'amateur does

Great LONG HITTERS are almost identical at impact

When I say 'facing the target' with their belt buckle that means literally the hips have fired before impact creating the 'lag' that all the long great hitters have

While not 90o facing the target they are usually in the 60o range at impact and this is what most pro teachers refer to as 'facing the target' at impact with the hips

I know you're the 'admin' and have your own thoughts on 'the golf swing' and have the 5SK thing

But I'm right on this

I know it's your site, but the images don't lie

Very few pro teachers even understand this fact

Its where you got to get in the impact position to 'be great'

And if you search google for 'time pga pros spend practicing putting' your 10% practice time for putting is your own

You blasted me for saying 40% and guess what google shows, it's what the average pro puts into putting

The reason, pros all have a calculator and can figure out 30 putts average a round is approx 40% of 70 strokes

LOL

So stop grinding me up for saying what I said, the goal is to get the belt belting FACING THE TARGET at impact

99% of the 'golfers' on this site showing their swings are square to the ball at impact with their buckles that means they have IMPROPER HIP ROTATION

Nice site you got, but, the pics don't lie

Hips are already FACING THE TARGET not the ball at impact on great players

And it's usually between 60o and 70o, the younger the player the closer to 70o they can get

HOGAN where are hips at impact almost facing the target the greatest ball striker right

Snead one of the greatest swings, his hips at impact facing target

Early Jack FACING the target with belt buckle

Rory, why those in the KNOW say HE IS GREAT, look at that impact position

No matter what Tiger changes in his swing

Guess what he always has

HIPS FACING TOWARD TARGET not ball at impact, if you look his early pics he is way more facing the target than this

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it appears to me that these pictures are actually a split second after impact. If you were to "roll back" the picture precisely to impact the hips may in fact be much less open than they are in these pics.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by 1player

No matter what Tiger changes in his swing

Guess what he always has

HIPS FACING TOWARD TARGET not ball at impact, if you look his early pics he is way more facing the target than this

You said "There belt buckle is literally facing the target". I proved that it is not, and not one of your pictures shows someone's belt buckle facing the target.

Nobody ever said "facing the ball."

And I'm posting in response to a ghost at this point, but at least it's on record for future readers.

[Karlsson]

A dramatic turn of events in this thread... Any more thoughts on my swing? Seems a bit extreme to start rotating the hips if only 1% off the golfers manage this....

[Beachcomber]

From what I can see - you are flipping or casting with your arms.  You should read more of this forum to pick up tips about how to eliminate casting.

But first, I think the quick and easy things to modify is your address position with the Driver.

1.) Impart forward shaft lean at address

- Get your hands closer to your left thigh (green line) at address.

2.) Your stance is a little too wide - which promotes the sweeping action - or casting that you are doing....

- Your feet are inline with the red line - bring them closer to shoulders width - yellow line line for reference

[Karlsson]

Thank you all.

Made some improvements this weekend, less wide stance as suggested, also moved the ball a bit forward. Hade some slice issue with the driver and think it can come from the hand postion mentioned above, want to have the more close to the left leg but fall back more to the center if I forget to focus on this.

Have a feeling that if I peg the ball the higher I lose lenth but lower the chance for slice, if I peg low I gain lenght but the I have higher risk of slice.

Also I got more length and accurcy with irons: Used the text on the grip more as a reference of correct impact angel and therefor closed the head a bit more. Also I raise the club a bit making the sole more parallell with the ground. Have had a tendence to hit shots right of green and a open club seems as the problem. gained 10-20yards.