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    • I've played at least two courses that had qualifiers this year, Classic Club in Palm Desert - @tristanhilton85's home course, played it with @mvmac and @DaveP043 - and La Costa.  Neither of those courses have any forced carries.  Classic does have a couple of holes where you can choose to carry a certain amount of a hazard to your advantage (like #8) , but nothing that it actually forced. I think people are over-selling (or maybe over-buying? ;)) the forced carry thing.  IMO, they're not common.
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    • Yes, true forced carries from the tee are pretty rare in most cases. I think I've only played a few holes that had actual forced carries and even those were short enough that I don't think you'd typically have any issues with them. I think the worst ones are the long par 3s that require 200+ to hit the green, but those can be a problem for people of just about any handicap.
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