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  1. Had some more fun today as the second scorer for the 4th to final group. One of the players in my group, Harry Higgs, was tied for the lead at a point with a 5' putt on 16 to take him to 15 under par. He ended up at only 13 under, but it was still fun to be right up close with all that kind of action. The course itself, TPC Colorado, was nice enough to give all of us scorers some gift cards to the PGA Superstore, which was a nice touch. I enjoy the course, but I've also been able to play it once before coming here to score. It is somewhat straightforward, but like you said it's the greens that make things interesting. 2 is a tough one if the pin is in the back, because you have to land it just right in the gully in the middle of the green to get it up onto the back shelf without going off the back or coming back to the center of the green. 5's green is pretty safe to go for, but it can be tricky if you end up in the bail out area to the left since it's nearly 15 feet below the green. 6 is another green where small misses can turn into big ones, but at least those are usually happening on your tee shot. 8 is just super narrow and long. 11 has some interesting contours, but nothing too tricky. 12 has a bit of a bowl in the front left, and then a second one in the back right. 14 has a tough to reach back shelf, just because it's hard to get up there without going long (which is the worst place to be). 15, like you mentioned, is just crazy. You've got the upper shelf along the left and back right, with a lower shelf on the front right corner, and a drop off of nearly 25 feet down to the collection area with a STEEP hill on the front and right side of the green. The trick to 15, if you want to stop anything on it, is to hit a draw (for a right handed player) onto that lower shelf in the front right corner or hit a fade that lands short of the green and just behind the bunker on the left side of the green. Either works, but it's definitely tricky. 16 was fun to watch all week, because there are so many spots for the pin to go that let you feed the ball towards the hole. Today's pin location was on the far right and the ridge running straight behind the bunker allowed several players to hit it to within inches by coming back off that sideways ridge. The front left pin location can let you stick it right next to the hole, but if you land it short by even a yard or two you're straight off the false front. The back left pin position is great if you hit a wedge shot low that will roll out a little ways, and the drop is of course the most dramatic part of the hole (it's got probably a 100' or more drop from tee to green over only 140 yards). The toughest green all week though, by far, was 17. IT was playing hard as a rock, and that made the pin positions on the right side of the green behind the bunker really tough. Balls that landed in the middle of the green still had a chance of bouncing/rolling up and off the back if the players didn't hit their shots high enough or with enough spin. What wasn't straightforward but also wasn't very obvious was the rough. It didn't look too bad even when you were seeing it in person, but it was THICK. It was thick enough that over the course of the week I found two balls by accident just from walking in the rough, and there were several searches of 1-3 minutes for balls in my group that ended up being found within 10 feet of the edge of the fairway. Dawie van der Walt, another of the players that tied for 3rd this week, on Thursday was one of those people with a buried ball that we had to search for a while to find. This guy is huge and strong to boot, and he still struggled to hit the ball further than about 75 yards from that stuff when it sat down deep. Overall though it was just immaculate. I heard multiple comments from players that the greens were some of the best they'd ever played on, and a common sentiment was that it was a better course than most of the ones that they got to play on the Web.com/Korn Ferry tour. They definitely thought that a PGA event would likely come to play there if the course stayed in as good of shape and was fully developed (clubhouse finished, bathrooms built, etc.). It was a course, however, that most players didn't particularly like when they first saw it and it was really on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday when the sentiment seemed to be turning around once the players had kind of figured the course out some more. What I'm really looking forwards to is the 11:30 tee time I have to play a round there tomorrow, the first of the day while everything is still in tournament conditions. Apparently they are planning to try and keep the same conditions from the tournament (green speeds and rough length) for the rest of the year at the course, but we'll see how long that lasts once members are regularly playing it.
  2. Scored again today and had fun, it was a bit less hot (thank goodness) compared to the first day thanks to an earlier start. Two of the scores in my group were 67 and 68, so there was definitely some solid golf to watch during my extended walk. I have to say though, this course is quite the hike. I am, however, looking forwards to Monday since I have the first tee time the day after the tournament booked through a connection of mine. It will be fun to watch how the players do tomorrow and compare that to how I play on Monday.
  3. A couple quick things I forgot to mention at the end of yesterday but wanted to share: The scoring devices are all Galaxy S5's, and unfortunately some of them have limited battery life. We were instructed to put them into standby mode as much as possible to prevent them from dying mid-round, but over the radio you could still hear about several that did die. The PGA should probably update their scoring devices. The scoring app is actually an entirely web-based application. It can be run in a fullscreen mode or just in a normal browser mode. The two things above led to some wonky behavior where you'd have to wait 30-90 seconds to enter shots after waking up the device if the scoring app was set to full screen mode. If you left it in the normal browser mode it operated smoothly and seamlessly upon wakeup though. Definitely could use some work or just updated devices.
  4. No, but it does automatically time the players based on how long a gap there is between individual shots. I'll suggest the taser feature to the scoring committee when I go back on Saturday! Today was quite a bit of walking in the heat. By quite a bit of walking, I mean it was almost 12 miles of walking and it was 95-97 degrees out the entire time. It was a great experience though, since it was fun to see the players up close like that and the people I was paired with were quite nice overall. Admittedly, the scoring itself was only about 8.3 miles. After watching golf all day I had to stop at a course on my way home to get in a quick 9 since I had the urge. I shot -1 33 for 9 holes, so I'll go ahead and pretend like I would have beaten everybody in my group with their 70, 73, and 70 scores! 😁
  5. You use their devices for the event, likely as a method of handling permissions for pushing updates and such with scores. Not sure what it's called, but it's definitely custom made for the PGA Tour. Here's a video that shows how the scoring works in more detail:
  6. I was lucky enough to be chosen as one of the scorers for the TPC Colorado Championship this weekend, and figured I could create a thread to share some of the thoughts and experiences from the event as it progresses. Some of the notable players in this particular tournament include David Duval, who is prepping for the Open Championship next weekend here in Colorado, and Graham Delaet. David Duval's choice of event might seem surprising as a warm up for an Open Championship, but it actually makes reasonable sense considering the course setup is more similar than you might think to Dunluce Links. As an example, the 3rd hole of TPC Colorado (395 yard par 4) is a near perfect copy of the 385 yard 5th hole at Dunluce, a dogleg left with a reachable green but trouble to carry between the tee and green. The only real differences between the two are the trouble to carry off the tee (Dunluce has thick native grass where TPC Colorado has a lake) and that TPC Colorado has additional pot bunkers in the fairway. Most importantly is the fact that the event will take place in the plains of northern Colorado, where the morning winds usually start at 10-15 mph and often pick up to 30 mph or more in the afternoon. The gusty wind conditions make for excellent practice. I'll be starting out scoring for the first afternoon tee time from hole one tomorrow at 12:20, for those of you wanting to stalk me on TV from home. The scoring system is pretty intuitive, and it's actually all handled with a phone app nowadays. Funny enough, when the switch was made to smartphones in 2017 it initially caused some issues with marshals because they would be telling scorers to put their phones away! You go through 3 screens, the player selection, the club/lie selection, and the lie details. Player selection is obvious, tap the correct player. Lie/club selection is the most complicated, since it asks what type of club (driver, wood, or iron) the player is hitting for tee shots and instead asks for the lie (rough, fairway, fringe, green, bunker, etc.) if it's not the first shot of the hole. Finally the lie details screen just has you select the appropriate description for the player's stance (ball above feet, downhill lie, level, etc.) and the quality of the lie (is the ball sitting pretty or is it buried). It pretty much walks you through collecting all the data they have scorers collect in a surprisingly intuitive fashion, and when you're done advancing through those 3 screens (player selection, club/lie selection, and lie details) you just tap the big "Shot Hit" button to record the stroke. Penalty strokes are assessed automatically (hazards and other penalties are an option in the second "lie selection" screen), so it really is surprisingly simple considering all the data they're collecting for later use. The best part of it, however, is that your responsibility as a scorer is to watch every shot up close and in person to confirm they really happened and are counted correctly. This means you've got, quite literally, the best "seat" in the house for the tournament since you're inside the ropes watching every shot from right next to the players and caddies. Other perks include the ability to play the course for free later, which should be also be fun. I've been lucky enough to play it once before already for free, but unfortunately the day I got to play was only 7 days after I had broken a rib so I'm definitely excited to play it again while healthy (without needing to pay the exorbitant green fee to do so). Overall I'm looking forwards to it, it should be a fun week!
  7. My league is on Tuesday nights, and today I was 2 under through 3 holes. I had to quickly backtrack and keep that handicap nice and high though, so I made sure to play 4 over for the last 6 to get back to +2. Really though I've just been struggling, for some reason the last month or so I have been struggling to stop lifting out of shots so I'll absolutely duff one now and again while catching most shots 1-2 grooves thin. Maybe I need to start taping a bowling ball to my head so I can't lift up 😁 About all @DeadMan would see is me hitting a 4-iron about knee high when I'm trying to go for the green in two on par 5's.
  8. On the bright side, in the meantime it would appear I've definitely managed to sandbag my handicap appropriately. I play in a weekly golf league through work and haven't had time for any other golf (or really even time to warm up since tee times start at 4), so I'm currently sitting pretty at a 9-hole handicap of 4.24. Maybe an 8.5 handicap for me would be enough for me to contribute to the inevitable dominating victory for red this year?
  9. I'd buy it, the first cut often times will tee up the golf ball if it's sitting on top of the grass. My 3-iron is my 240-255 club, so if someone caught a 2i pure as though it were teed up and had a similar swing speed to me I can see it. I wouldn't expect it regularly or if the ball were anything but teed up, but if the conditions were right I can see it as possible. As to the topic of the post, the primary problem with a 2i is that they're just plain hard to hit. I play my MP4 irons up to a 3-iron, but realistically I should probably not be hitting a muscleback blade for my 3-iron. I can make solid contact and hit good shots, but it's just not as forgiving as I want and I should probably pick up something more like a driving iron or other higher launching club to fill that slot in my bag. I say this as someone who has hovered between a 4 and a +2.5 handicap over the past four years or so, with significantly more consistent ball striking than any 17 handicap player. I mean no offense when I say that a 2 iron is something that I myself would rarely use anywhere myself except off the tee and I don't think anyone - including PGA Tour pros - should either. The good news is that it sounds like you're trying to use it off the tee on tight/narrow par 4's - that's the exact purpose of a driving iron and a fact that I think many in this thread so far have missed. Off the tee I would have to guess that you're most likely trying to hit the ball on the upswing like you do your driver or 3-wood, and that my best advice (not having seen your swing ever) would be to make sure you're trying to hit it as though it is an iron - because it is an iron. You have to hit down for it to go up, even with the very low loft of a 2-iron.
  10. Specifically you're going to want to use Tamiya acrylic paints, especially if you want translucent colors. Those are far and away the best paints on the market for the job, and they're what I've used for doing my putters.
  11. Jack didn't do "fairly well" in the 90s, I'm going to directly call you out for that statement. Jack had 2 top 10's in Majors in the entire decade of the 1990's - a 6th place in the Masters in 1990 and a tie for 6th in the 1998 Masters. Both of these were in the easiest major on the calendar, and outside of those 2 tournaments he never even finished inside the top 20. In fact, in the 90s Jack managed to miss 13 cuts in majors, and finished better than 40th only 9 times. He was cut more often than he was even in the top 40, much less anywhere close to contention. This is not a player who is doing "fairly well" in the majors. Jack was not longer and straighter than Tiger, in fact your own two statements there contradict each other. First off, why would Jack be using longer irons into the greens in the 90s if he was longer and straighter than Tiger? Second off, in Tiger's first full year on tour where stats are available for him (1997) he was ranked second of all the golfers on tour for driving distance at 294.8 yards while hitting 68.62% of fairways.Jack rarely hit more than 65% of his fairways throughout his entire career, and his average driving distance never surpassed 280 yards after 1980. When he was in his 50's during the 90s you'd have to be absolutely insane to believe that Jack was a longer hitter than Tiger, and historically he was never an accurate player off the tee. You're telling some blatant lies right now, and that's not kosher.
  12. I do definitely appreciate their transparency when it comes to the width of their shoes. Finding that kind of information from other manufacturers can be like pulling teeth, since they rarely say anything and you basically have to just try them on your feet to find out for yourself. The TL-01 is an attractive looking shoe though. I'd love to find something similar that works for me to wear to my office job rather than the tennis shoes I currently am stuck with.
  13. I've used a pair of their Elements Pro shoes for a while now. I do quite like the thin sole and the zero drop design, but the one thing I just can't work with is the width of the shoe offerings from TRUE. To put it bluntly, my feet are seriously fat. I personally am not fat so I'm not squishing them or adding fat rolls to my toes, it's just a hereditary thing (my maternal relatives all have the same wide feet). My feet fit the length of a size 10.5 or 11 perfectly (just under 11" long), depending on brand, but they are 4.75" wide. Going off the "standard" sizing charts I can find, that falls somewhere between a 4E and a 6E width for a size 11 shoe. From practical experience my choice in footwear is pretty limited. Not all brands make a size 4E shoe, and even fewer make a 6E. I can honestly say I've only ever seen a 6E in a store, and not just as an online option, once in my entire life. For my everyday tennis shoes I pretty much have to stick with Asics and New Balance just because other brands like Nike and Adidas don't actually make a true 4E shoe (their shoes labeled 4E fit closer to a 2E). For the western boots I wear for riding the options are a little better thanks to big square toes being in style, but there are still brands like Nocona and Cody James that just plain don't make them wide enough short of a size 13+. Credit to Twisted X though, their 2E is actually wide enough for my fat feet and they're super comfy to boot. With that background, I really would like to wear, use, and enjoy my shoes from TRUE but unfortunately they're simply not wide enough. They weren't bad when I first received them, but despite losing 10 pounds since then my feet have only grown wider (thanks bunions!) and I've found I can no longer fit into them. When my feet did fit I found them quite comfortable after a short break-in period, and the zero drop was definitely a noticeable improvement after carrying my bag all day long. I realize I'm part of a pretty small minority here and by no means should TRUE change their product development strategy solely to suit people like me. It would be nice, but for companies that aren't already quite large it can be economically infeasible to make that make options for sizing and width. I just wish I had normal feet so I could take advantage of the cool stuff they're doing!
  14. The side you're defending has presented only evidence that works against it. The side you claim of unfairly attacking the other has provided hard data that backs up their arguments. Then there's you, who comes in slinging mud without having the decency to even pretend to care about truth. People who care about the truth tend to like data and facts, rather than opinions of what something feels like.
  15. The other way to get pressure off your right side, that you're too stubborn to realize is what's happening, is that the right side is lifting up. The right side lifts up, while the left side does not. This results in a weight shift to the left, simple as that. You can see evidence of this in every swing video posted so far. The players are lifting the right heel and the weight falls onto the left side as a result. Pushing down or pushing off the right side would INCREASE the weight on the right side. You're adding pressure, because you can't push off without applying a force. This is the opposite of getting the weight off the right side.
  16. When a pitcher "pushes off the mound" their leg becomes straighter and their heel is flat. Regardless of if the pitcher pushes off the mound or not, this is the exact opposite of what pitchers do.
  17. It's not that it isn't easy to see. It's that it's easy to see the exact opposite of what you describe is happening. You are bending your knee and lifting the heel. Those two things are the exact opposite action as pushing off of the ground, which requires you to straighten your leg and drive the foot (including your heel) down into the ground so that you can push off it.
  18. I think you just can't see that you're being ridiculous. You physically cannot push off with the rear foot if you lift your heel and increase the bend in your knee. Pushing off with your rear foot would mean straightening the rear leg and pressing that heel into the ground, because you're pushing off of the foot (which presses the foot into the ground). Are you really so blinded by the need to be right that you're going to disregard basic physics and biomechanics like this?
  19. I'm simply showing you with your own swing, as well as swings of notorious power hitters, that a push off the back foot doesn't occur in the transition to the downswing. You seem to feel like you do this in your own personal swing. That's why I'm using an example of your own personal swing to show you that what you're feeling in the swing is not what is happening in your swing.
  20. Here's an example of your "powerful push" off that back foot in transition. Your feel ain't real buddy, and you just can't seem to get that through your head. Dustin Johnson has the same lack of a push off the back foot in transition, as seen clearly in this video. His heel is gently lifting off the ground from nearly the moment he starts down with the swing, not pressing down into it so he can push off.
  21. Believe me, I can guarantee that many of the things you feel are not real. Pushing off from the rear foot, for example... The same thing applies to everything we humans do, by the way, not just golf. I do a lot of work with horses, and I have to constantly prevent myself from gripping with my knees. I never feel myself do it, but I feel the horse react to me doing it. I then have to ride for a while over-exaggerating things by making sure my knees don't touch the saddle at all to break myself out of that false feeling again.
  22. That's good to finally have a video of the driver with his swing, though watching it I noticed a couple of things that are good avenues for discussion. Please do note before we get started that these comments are in relation to using the Venetos swing in high levels of competition. It has advantages for the beginner or the weekend golfer who just wants to avoid a slice and get started in the game without much practice. On a shorter course I could even picture someone getting to between a scratch and 5 handicap with this swing and competing well in club tournaments. In this post I'm going to be discussing the pitfalls of the swing as it relates to competing in state or national level amateur tournaments and professional tournaments of all levels, where the norm is championship level courses that will usually exceed 7,000 yards in length and pretty regularly play beyond 7,200 yards. If these courses aren't that long, then they're penal in other ways by having narrow and/or tree-lined fairways that prevent you from hitting large curves. Contact was made right about at the 31 second mark, and the ball reaches its apex at about the 34 second mark and is losing altitude before it's even out of view in the video. Considering the video is at about 1/2 speed this means the apex was reached in about 1.5-2 seconds real time, meaning a total tee shot hangtime of only 3-4 seconds. The median on tour is 6.2 seconds and the shortest of any guy playing in those tournaments is still 5.6 seconds. The shortest hitter on tour, Scott Langley with an average of 269.8 yards, has an average hang time of 5.7 seconds. Hang time isn't everything, of course, but it is a good indication of the amount of power in a swing. It would appear that this video supports the idea that the Jim Venetos swing lacks power overall. This isn't me bashing the method as useless, because I can see how it would be useful for a beginner or especially someone who is struggling to control a slice, it's just me stating a honest fact about the swing from what I can see and what I have read and heard. The Venetos swing would struggle to keep up on the championship courses played in tournaments for top amateurs and any level of professional. The second concern is just how much that ball is curving from right to left. Based on the overall appearance of the ball flight (@iacas can probably judge better, he's got a LOT of practice at judging launch numbers from video and watching people hit), that ball might be carrying 200-215 yards but it still looks like it is curving at least 20 yards from right to left in the air. A big draw/hook like that is definitely a welcome sight for anyone who struggles with a slice, but it does give me pause since the spin axis must be severely tilted to get that much curve on a tee shot that isn't exactly a bomb. Longer tee shots will drift further to the side with the same spin axis as a shorter tee shot simply because they have more time to go off course, but with that same spin axis a tee shot that carries 260 yards or more is going to be curving at least 30 yards if not more. Assuming a player with the Venetos swing could somehow find the power to keep up with the short hitters on tour, they would have a rough time with the narrower courses that can be played in higher levels of competition. Merion Golf Club, for example, has fairways that are only 20-30 yards wide for the most part and many of those fairways are lined with trees. You can't aim the ball 15 yards to the right of the fairway on these tight courses to account for that 30+ yard curve, it just doesn't work. Trust me, I know - I used to play a 30-40 yard "draw" off the tee with 260-280 yards of driving distance as my normal shot. There were many courses and tournaments that I struggled at simply because there wasn't enough room for me to be able to hit the fairway without making swing changes to manage my way around that course. The swing, like I said before, could be easy to pick up for beginners or a quick fix for someone who is slicing the ball. It leaves a lot to be desired though when it comes to competing favorably at high levels of competition.
  23. I started using the original MCC grips on my clubs around 6 years ago or so, a little bit after they were released since I liked how grippy they felt especially in the rain. I like corded grips, but they absolutely tear my ungloved hand to pieces usually since my hands are always dry and cracking anyways. I did, however, always use 3 wraps of tape under my grips because for me personally it would help prevent me from shutting the face down and hooking the ball. I've got slightly larger than average hands (8.5" wrist to middle finger compared to the average of 7.44") so the extra tape felt nice and seemed to help keep me from over-rotating my wrists through impact. I've since switched to using the MCC Plus4 grips with just the usual one wrap of tape. The difference between the two grips isn't huge, it's just personal comfort and preference. The Plus4 feels nice to me, but realistically I could play golf just fine with either grip and the standard one wrap of tape so long as I just spent 5-10 minutes on the range making sure my fundamentals were solid and I wasn't getting too handsy.
  24. Hell, my podunk hometown has better golf within a 2-hours drive than what's available in New York. This is a town called Firestone in Colorado, by the way, where the population was ~1,750 when I was born and is still small enough now that my parent's live on a dirt road just 2 minutes from the "bustling city center". In fact, compared to New York, Firestone is a true golfing hotspot! Here's a sampling of the notable courses available within 2 hours of driving: TPC Colorado Castle Pines Golf Club (48 on the Golf Digest rankings, former PGA Tour stop) Ballyneal Golf Club (46 on the Golf Digest rankings) Cherry Hills Country Club (72 on the Golf Digest rankings, host to 3 different US Open Championships) Colorado Golf Club (124 on the Golf Digest rankings) Sanctuary (175 on the Golf Digest rankings) The Broadmoor Golf Club (199 on the Golf Digest rankings) Frost Creek Golf Club Riverdale Dunes Denver Country Club Commonground Golf Club Walnut Greek Golf Preserve Arrowhead The Omni Interlocken Eisenhower Golf Course (on the Air Force base) Not to mention the fact that Colorado has both 300 days per year of sunshine (that's a lot of time to get out and golf, even if you use colored balls when there's snow on the ground) and well over 150 course options within that 2-hour drive from Firestone. Truly, Firestone Colorado is a golfing tourism destination that clearly surpasses the New York metro area. The number, quality, and diversity of the options available far surpasses anything that 2 hours in New York traffic could ever encompass. Plan your next trip to Firestone today, and get a warm welcome from the <14,000 residents (note: you can't actually stay in Firestone, there are no hotels - you'll have to settle for a motel by the highway) as well as the owner of the only local 18-hole course, Whitey (no joke, that's the name of the owner of the only 18-hole course in Firestone itself).
  25. I've just stumbled down enough internet rabbit holes to find these tidbits before.
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