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  1. That's impressive, it looks like they managed to infringe upon two different copyrights at once!
  2. That's true, I was assuming that the ball had moved forwards when it fell off the tee. I was thinking of what happened to Zach Johnson at the Masters, except when the player was intending to hit the ball.
  3. A player on my high school team had a truly superhuman swing speed like this. As a 17 year old in high school he had a SS of between 135 and 140. It was fast enough that his PING i20 driver broke after he used it for only 2 years, because he literally caved the face in. That was something I previously didn't know was even possible. Practice, technique, and flexibility are what gives you swing speed. Being a larger person (tall and long arms, not fat) also helps you out. As far as technique goes, a lot of it is just about the hips getting ahead of the shoulders, the shoulders ahead of the arms, and then unwinding everything with good timing to whip the club through the ball. Instead of having to actually turn your hips, back, or shoulders that fast you're using each part of the body to add tension and then unwinding it to be straight through impact. Here's Cameron Champ, the driving distance leader, at impact: You'll notice that at impact his hips are nearly entirely ahead of the target. It's also hard to see because the video was cropped poorly, but he's up on the toes of both of his feet through impact because he is driving his body up as well as around to help increase speed. Compare this to one of the shortest hitters on tour, Ben Crane, and you can see a substantial difference in the amount of hip and shoulder rotation the two have at impact: Ben's belt buckle is barely pointing past the golf ball, because he simply doesn't get quite the same hip rotation as Cameron Champ. Another notable long hitter, Rory McIlroy, can be seen doing the same thing below. It's interesting to note that Rory McIlroy is a pretty small guy yet still one of the longest hitters, in part thanks to the fact that his hip rotation is some of the fastest that's been measured by professional golfers. His hips actually get so far ahead of the rest of his body that they are forced to rotate backwards immediately after impact, to give you an idea of the amount of tension he's putting into his spine with all that twisting. Most tour pros average a max of 550 degrees per second of hip rotation. Rory averages a max of 720 degrees per second, and puts enough tension into his abdominal obliques that they pull the hips backwards at about 380 degrees per second. For reference, most amateurs rotate their hips forwards at only 350 degrees per second.
  4. The trick is to use a chisel tip pen/marker, that's what creates that distinctive looking font. Letters are pretty easy to practice and get super near because there's only ten of them, but the trick to writing out names that neatly is that you always use all capital letters. Still takes some time to get them looking nice, but it makes things easier than if you also used lowercase letters since most capitals have more straight lines and fewer curves.
  5. Yes, because he asked about what would happen if you re-teed the ball and played it regardless of the rule against doing so. It seemed as though he knew you got a 1 stroke penalty if you intended to hit the ball but whiffed.
  6. Two rules apply here, which I'll go into depth later. I can briefly answer your questions up front though. 1) One stroke penalty, and the ball must be replaced (under Rule 9.4) 2) Disqualification (under Rules 1.3.b.1 and 3.3.b.3) For the first question, Rule 9.4 states the following: Obviously none of the exceptions for Rule 9.4 apply here, and the player should be penalized 1 stroke and is required to replace the ball on the ground where it fell from the tee originally. The primary concern of the second question is rule 1.3.b.1, which states: The second question's second concern is Rule 3.3.b.3, which states: The only exception to this rule is for a failure to include an unknown penalty, which does not apply to this scenario. The player should be disqualified if he/she returns a scorecard without adding the penalty.
  7. You heard it here first! Tiger's secret to Masters success is a tune-up at TPC Sawgrass before the main event.
  8. To answer that question, the only swings that will be different enough from each other to need to practice individually would be wedges, irons, and driver/woods. Like @boogielicious said, a Gap/Pithcing Wedge, 7-iron, and Driver would be plenty for working on the differences in how they swing. For the most part though, like I said, the fundamentals carry over from one piece to another - just with different feelings. It would probably be a good idea to just check the clubs for loft a lie. Especially with softer forged irons like Mizunos (it's less of an issue with harder cast clubs like PING irons), they can tend to change in loft and lie angle as you continue to use them over the years. It's probably not a problem, but it's worth checking for the peace of mind at least.
  9. For lessons it doesn't really matter which club you use. The same swing fundamentals will apply for every club in the bag. If you have particular issues with irons in general, or problems specifically with the driver, then it's worthwhile to bring that up with the instructor and have them look to see what you're doing with that type of club specifically. Other than that, however, just use whatever club will get you to the target you're aiming for. The difference between an 8, 7, and 6 iron is all purely in your head (none of them are significantly different from the others), so as you improve your fundamentals and swing mechanics those things will carry over to every club in the bag.
  10. Players who are a +4.2 handicap are capable of playing on Tour, but it strongly depends on their level of consistency. +4.2 is not going to make you one of the elite by any means, but it is enough to make it onto the tour and grind out a living IF you are a +4.2 who consistently plays to their handicap in tournaments without any scores much worse than a +2 differential or so. Here's a good slideshow from 2014 listing the handicap indexes of multiple different tour pros (some from the senior tour): https://www.golf.com/photos/handicaps-pga-tour-pros A summary from the slideshow (because I hate that format): Bubba Watson - +7.7 at Isleworth Country Club Phil Mickelson - +6.9 at Whisper Rock Golf Club (+6.3 currently, low H.I. of +7.1) Tim Herron - +4.8 at Whisper Rock Golf Club Paul Casey - +6 at Whisper Rock Golf Club Fred Funk - +2.3 at Pablo Creek Golf Club Aaron Baddeley - +4.7 at Whisper Rock Golf Club Jim Furyk - +5.8 at Pablo Creek Golf Club Geoff Ogilvy - +5.8 at Whisper Rock Golf Club Martin Kaymer - +6.6 at Whisper Rock Golf Club Paul Goydos - +4.6 at Dove Canyon Golf Club Tom Pernice - +4.6 at Bear Creek Golf Club Other pros with known handicaps (source: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/yes-some-tour-pros-have-a-handicap-phils-is-52) include Kevin Streelman (+5.3), Paul Casey (+3.9), Billy Mayfair (+3.7), and Chez Reavie (+4.5). Back onto the point about consistency, at my best I had a handicap index of +2.3 but I wouldn't consider myself anywhere near as good of a golfer as Fred Funk was in 2014. In my last 20 rounds at that point I had about 2 rounds at a +4-5 differential, 5 rounds at between a +2 and +3 differential, 7 rounds at about a 0 differential, and the other 6 were between 1 and 6 for the differential. If I played in a PGA Tour tournament where the course rating was a 74, I could have expected to score 75-80 about 30% of the time. I would have shot about 74 about 35% of the time, 71-72 about 25% of the time, and 69 or 70 about 10% of the time. In other words, my average score on a PGA Tour track would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 74-76ish. To make the cut I'd have to shoot a 70 or better two days in a row, at the very least, leaving me with literally a 1% chance of making the cut if we want to be generous (10% chance of shooting 69-70 happening twice in a row is 0.1 * 0.1 = 0.01). This, of course, discounts the fact that there's a big difference between the tournaments where I got my handicap index from (junor events like RMJGT and AJGA, as well as local qualifiers) and PGA Tour tournaments. The odds of me scoring the same as I did in much more relaxed events is relatively low considering my already inconsistent scoring. On the other hand, if someone with a +4.2 handicap has all of their last 20 differentials between +3 and +5 they might have a more realistic shot. They'd be a consistent enough scorer that they could, potentially, make a living from professional golf because they can grind out scores in the 60's day in and day out. They have to be capable of shooting their handicap differential, however, even in adverse conditions. They'll see the course for the first time on Monday, they'll be jetlagged, there will be television crews, there will be crowds and the crowd will never be quiet or well-behaved as you'd like them to be, you will have to take time out of your day for drug tests, media appearances, and other "non-golf" items. Point being, a +4.2 could potentially play on tour but only if they're a +4.2 at any course in the world with any level of pressure/distraction and they rarely (maybe 1-2 per revision) post a score with a differential worse than +3. A great example of how good players can be without being capable of making it on the tour, and an example of the huge gap between pros and even the best amateurs, can actually be seen in this course vlog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyC6guJJl0 That vlog is actually a 3 part series, but to spare you the trouble Jon Rahm is playing with the YouTuber and the course owner. Neither the course owner nor Rahm warmed up (there is no range at the course in the video, at least not when the video was filmed) and the course owner went out and shot a 5-under 67. Jon Rahm was messing around for a media event, talking during his swings, and set a course record by shooting a 10-under 62. This no-name amateur can shoot an incredible round of golf while smoking cigars and screwing around, yet he still isn't good enough to go pro because you can see he still got beaten black and blue by an actual Tour professional. It's really hard for most people to picture just how good tour pros are, but I think videos like that are a great example that puts it into perspective (see also Graeme McDowell playing with @David in FL and shooting 63 at Lake Nona, also while talking during shots and generally not paying attention to the game). Comparing myself to that, I went out to play "two" rounds of golf today for fun (played 2 balls at once) and shot 71 and 70 in similar conditions without a warmup beforehand. This was, however, on a municipal course that only measures 6,800 yards (rather than a championship golf course) and there's absolutely no way I would have come close to shooting 65 or better like it was nothing. FWIW, I'm doubtful that I'm a plus handicap golfer anymore but it still gives some perspective considering the best handicap I ever attained.
  11. It seemed like the 12th hole really helped decide the winner of the Masters this year. Four different players up at -9 or better hit it into Rae's Creek - Koepka, Molinari, Finau, and Poulter all went for a swim. Tiger did his usual thing where he played for the center of the green (just over the bunker) so that even if he missed short he wouldn't go into the water hazard. It leaves a long putt, but it's one he practices because he knows that's where he's going to try to hit the ball on Sunday.
  12. Pros from 1997-2008 who were of similar caliber to the stars during Jack's time (Irwin, Watson, Seve, Trevino, Player, Palmer, and Miller), listed in no particular order: Phil Mickelson Ernie Els David Duval Nick Price Davis Love III Vijay Singh Fred Couples Jim Furyk Sergio Garcia Mark Calcavecchia Chris DiMarco Fred Funk Brad Faxon Nick Faldo Stewart Cink David Toms Luke Donald Payne Stewart Padraig Harrington Literally any other player in the top 20ish each year for scoring average that averaged fewer than 70 strokes per round
  13. Interesting that you say a lower compression ball gives you less spin. My experience, at least with a fairly high clubhead speed (124mph), is that most low compression golf balls spin like crazy off the tee and can be prone to ballooning. This at least was true in the past, I haven't tried many of those balls in quite some time. That said, I think it's possible that this is changing. Up until 2015 I played a ProV1x, which was a ~100 compression ball, and then in 2015 used the newer Pro V1 because they finally made one that didn't have absurd spin off the tee and I liked the softer feel since the ProV1 is a ball with ~90 compression. In 2018 I actually switched to a Bridgestone Tour B XS, a 75 compression ball, because I found it gave me even more spin with wedge and an even softer feel without sacrificing distance off the tee. It seems like ball manufacturers are figuring out how to make a low compression golf ball that doesn't have insane spin off the tee. The Pro V1 released in 2011 had so much spin off the tee that my ball would always embed in wet fairways (came down way too steep) and would get 3-5 yards of roll otherwise. The one released in 2013 was similar, but not quite as bad. The 2015 and 2017 Pro V1 revisions were much better in that respect and actually didn't seem to spin much more than a Pro V1x when hitting tee shots.
  14. For reference, this is the view from the tee on the hole @Golfingdad is talking about: I added the giant red arrow that shows where the green was when you were standing on the tee. You had to hit it directly over the house there, and when @DeadMan and I were on the tee in this photo there were people sitting out on the patio of that house watching us - talk about pressure to not screw up the shot over the house! It was definitely high-risk, but was fun to make a run at it for sure. The greenside pitch I remember the most was when we were playing together and your approach for the alternate shot went long over the green on #13 from that awkward mound I put the tee shot into (photo below). Just a crazy flier from what looked like a buried lie, neither of us expected it to go long like that. Then I got lucky and holed out the pitch shot, but we couldn't even catch a break since @NCGolfer sank the East team's birdie putt anyways! These photos were taken by @RandallT who provided excellent photography of the entire event. I strongly encourage everyone who's even remotely interested in playing (and even those who aren't!) to check out the full album of his photos here to see some of the fun!
  15. Exactly right, and that definitely added a little bit to the already special occasion IMO.
  16. Eh, I wouldn't put it past Phil to misunderstand or manipulate what he hears from Pelz. Dave Pelz has been saying that it's best to leave the flagstick in whenever possible since 1990 (he even published results of a study he did in the December issue of GOLF magazine that year), yet Phil is one of the tour pros who likes to remove the pin the most even when he didn't have to before the rule change (for chips, pitches, and even full approach shots at times). Pelz may have monetary incentive to encourage golfers to work on their short game instead of their tee shots (which is why he likes to compare scrambling percentages to PGA pros), but most of his claims are at least not entirely untrue. He talks about how many strokes you lose out on when you miss the green compared to a tour pro, which is accurate, but he just neglects to mention that it's better to just hit more greens in the first place. I grew up watching Tiger. I may have missed his early days since I was born in 98, but I know I was watching with regularity by the time the 2002 season rolled around when my grandpa was trying to get me involved in golf. Knowing what he did before, watching the little slump, and then seeing the 2005-2008 streaks as I was dreaming of becoming a pro someday myself means another win of his would be pretty special for me to see.
  17. @iacas I'm surprised there was no commentary on Phil's talk about 10% longer drives equating to lower scores only at Augusta National, perhaps it might be a good topic for discussion elsewhere? Back more on topic, tomorrow should make for some great TV. It's been a long time since Tiger has been in the last tee time for a major, and I'll predict that the final round TV ratings will be much higher than we've seen in a long time for any golf event. The other guys in his pairing, Finau and Molinari, don't have quite the star power of Tiger, DJ, Koepka, Fowler etc. but they definitely are no slouches.
  18. The weirdest part about the Sunday tee-times to me is that on a Sunday at a major they're starting people on the back 9 AND going in 3's. I can understand the threesomes, but splitting between holes 1 and 10 just seems weird to me.
  19. Am I hearing people booing Kuchar or are they just saying "Kooch"? On the tee it sounded like people saying "Kooch", but when he drained the eagle putt it sounded a lot like booing (but could just be because the mics are a ways away from the patrons). If it's booing, I feel bad for the guy since I don't think he did anything wrong. It's open for debate as to whether he did or not, but booing someone is just poor taste and I'd be surprised that Augusta isn't removing patrons for it since they're known to be so strict with etiquette. I imagine Phil's jabs at Kuchar this morning probably didn't help with public sentiment towards him any, at the very least.
  20. I'm curious to hear why you're upset that bunker could possibly be putted out of. It doesn't seem to me like something worth getting upset about because I'm having a hard time picturing a bunker where the best play would be to putt from it rather than to hit out of. I say this because even if the sand is firm and there isn't a huge lip, you'll still generally have a decent hill to putt up before getting to the green and then your ball is rolling from sand, to rough, to fringe, to green with all of the transitions only serving to bounce the ball around. Not to mention the fact that I've never been in a bunker that would roll anywhere close to true, and I live in Colorado where our bunkers are sometimes practically clay. I don't think putting out of the bunker will give anyone an advantage, though I can see it helping beginners or golfers who otherwise significantly struggle to at least escape the bunker before taking their next shot. My bigger concern would be if they took a bunker with nice soft sand and made it so that any lie in the bunker is now hardpan.
  21. A club professional is a realistic aspiration. It requires you to shoot no more than 15 strokes above the course rating over 2 days of competition, meaning shooting 79 or better twice on a standard difficulty par 72 course. The most difficult part of becoming a club professional, assuming you want to be a PGA Club Professional, is the lack of structure they set for the apprenticeship program (the self-guided design is not for everyone) or the cost of attending one of the PGA Management Program colleges. As far as a tour professional goes, if you aren't already an accomplished golfer by the time you turn 22 your odds decrease from a million to one down to about ten million to one or worse.
  22. Whenever I need to hit the ball low I grip down on the club. This can be because there's a headwind, because there's a tree, or even just because the green has a big back-to-front slope and I don't want the ball to come back when it lands Usually about an inch or so for a normal low shot, for hitting it into the wind or controlling the spin. If I really want it to go low I'll grip down on the club by nearly two inches.
  23. I don't mean to put a damper on things for you, but I can give you my personal experience (which seems fairly similar to yours) and my honest opinion. I was in a situation somewhat similar to yours with just a slightly earlier timescale, in that I played golf not too competitively until I decided to truly get serious starting in the spring of my junior year of high school. At this time I was approximately a 15 handicap golfer or so, occasionally getting lucky and breaking 80 (on easy courses) and but mostly shooting mid-80s to mid-90's for my scores. That spring I started working at a golf course. From March until May I played 2 rounds a day on the weekends and 9 holes a day during the week after school. From May until August I played 1-3 full rounds every single day, with only 7-10 days off for a vacation. In that one summer I was able to go from about a 15 handicap down to a 2 handicap golfer. I was hitting the ball a lot better, my short game was sharper, my tee shots could be controlled, it was a huge difference all around. I played my senior year of high school golf and did pretty well, enough that I was in talks with coaches from a couple of different colleges. By the time the snow melted and spring rolled back around I had slid back to about a +5 handicap thanks to the break, but I played every day again the next summer. The best my handicap ever got to was +2.3 that summer, but stabilized at about +1.5 towards the end of the summer. Unfortunately the colleges didn't pan out, since the college that made an offer didn't have engineering. No big loss, I figured I could try to walk on to the team where I did go. I played in the US Open Qualifier the summer after my sophomore year of college, having practiced a fair bit in the spring, to see how my golf game was once I was through with the time-consuming "weed out" courses for engineering and could have time for the golf team. You can read about my experience at the qualifier in the thread below. Long story short, it didn't go too well. I changed a lot of things right before the event (including buying a new set of blades that I hadn't practiced enough with, having previously used S55 irons) and just overall played poorly. It wasn't the clubs' fault, it wasn't the course's fault, I just didn't play great. I kept golfing through the summer and ended the year at a +0.7 handicap, if I remember correctly, but never again got back below a +1. I know that my personal limits were found when I got to a +2.3 handicap. I was playing multiple rounds of golf most days for 2 months in a row by that point in time, and to see more improvement I would have had to be able to find the funding to dedicate my life entirely to golf. I would've needed a regular (at least once a week, but ideally more often) schedule with a swing coach, a place to live while doing nothing but golfing, and the money to keep buying balls and wedges (I was going through 2 sets of wedges a year for those two years) as well as entering more and more tournaments. I wouldn't have been able to make do just by playing the same "average" course every day (Saddleback Golf Club, not a bad course but the greens were always rough and slow), and I would've needed to have access to multiple different championship quality layouts to practice on and hone my skills. It's possible that with that kind of work I could've gotten to better than a +3, and I think it's possible I MAY have reached as good a game as a +4 if I hit a hot streak for one handicap revision. I could have possibly even reached the sectional qualifying rounds for the U.S. Amateur or the U.S. Open. Despite being able to drop nearly 15 strokes from my handicap in only 5 months, and being able to go from a 5 to a +2.3 in 3 months, it was clear to me at that point that I was never going to be a touring professional. To give some perspective about why this is, we can take a look at the post from back in 2013 when one of our members got to play a round with Graeme McDowell: and this later post in the thread: The gist of it is that Graeme came out to play in the middle of December for a promotional event with his sponsors (Srixon and GolfNow), and shot a 63 like it was nothing. To be fair he was ranked #12 in the OWGR at the time, not just any tour journeyman, but he still was able to shoot a 63 while shooting the breeze with a couple of other guys, talking during his swings, joking around, all of that. This is comparable to what you see from Monday qualifying results (https://www.mondayq.com/) where the guys who make it are shooting 67 at worst if they want to make it into the tournament on a PGA-difficulty course. The best tournament round, or round of golf period, of my life was a 65. I felt like everything was going my way, and I knew I was playing at the peak of my abilities. I was 5 under par the first day of the tournament (the 65), and 4 under par on the front 9 of the second day. It's the best 27 holes of golf I've ever played, and I know it is the best 27 holes of golf I can reasonably expect to ever play again. The problem is that I was shooting these scores at municipal courses. Decent courses, of course, but the CR was 70-72 for both of those courses rather than the 76+ for many PGA Tour setups. I played out of my mind for 27 holes, and even then I was 3 shots worse than Graeme on a day where he was messing around and 4-8 shots behind the guys playing in Monday qualifiers that aren't even good enough (or just aren't lucky enough) to maintain a tour card. It was the best golf I've ever played and I was quite happy with it, but that was when I realized just how impossible it would be for me to make the Tour and make a living off of it. Sure, if I dedicated my life to golf and had others fund my efforts I could've made a run at it. I might have even had marginal success on mini-tours, possibly making it into a Tour event once with a lucky Monday qualifier performance where I again played out of my mind (if the others didn't). But when it takes a stroke of extreme luck for me to shoot anything better than a 69 or 68, and even those scores in the 60's are pretty uncommon (my +2.3 was created with rounds that averaged less than 1 under par, just played on a course with a more difficult rating), it really solidified in my mind just how good and different the pros are even from amateur golfers playing at their peak.
  24. Don't worry, it's just the same back and forth as the previous pages over and over again. You didn't miss as much as you might think, but there's some good drama to be had if you've got the time. I am intrigued by the second sentence though, you should shoot me a PM (if you're allowed to talk about it, that is) to avoid too much off-topic in this thread that already frequently ends up off the rails.
  25. It's unlikely that your ball flight would be significantly higher or lower with this golf ball, but if anything the ball would fly lower rather than higher since your spinrate would go down compared to a standard golf ball.
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