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I don't think there is going to be that drastic of a change in ball type because of the groove rule. The groove rule only really affects balls hit out of the rough and not even by that much. If balls were made to spin even more, there would be an issue with hitting them off the tee with drivers, etc. Plus, I believe it will be a long term trend rather than a short term trend if balls eventually do increase their spin since 99% of all golfers can still use the current grooves we have today.

Usually the farther the ball goes, the higher the swingspeed. Generally the higher the swingspeed, the stiffer the shaft & lower torque needed in order to maintain good dispersion. Being able to control a shaft with such a low frequency while hitting it so far with tight dispersion (as you stated) is extremely rare. Also as an FYI: PGA tour average as per trackman lists the 6-iron as 182 yards of carry (clubhead speed of 92 mph) But hey, if it works for you, great.

Would you guys all agree that there is a difference in what happens vs. what you should try to have happen? I would figure that since most of us are not ballet dancers and are not that flexible, our right legs will most definitely lose its flex, however I believe that if you are able to maintain the same flex, you should. If you look at some of Anthony Kim's swing videos, you will notice that he barely loses flex, if any and if you watch it in full speed, it looks like his right leg stays in the same position from address to top of backswing. I voted that the right leg maintains its flex because if I had the flexibility to maintain that flex, I would... Also, I think there is a difference between whether it happens because your body needs it to happen vs. it happens because it gives you a better swing. I do not believe that straightening out the right leg is necessary to being a solid ball striker and the reason why many players do it is because they aren't flexible enough to maintain it. edit: (if anyone disagrees, please explain as I am curious whether my thoughts are correct)

I believe your shanks occur because of the movement of your head in the swing. I used to shank the ball because of a similar issue. If you notice,in the videos your head dips a little bit in the downswing. This bobbing can affect spine angle and also the relation of the club head to the ball. When you "dip" or move your head forward, you move closer to the ball and line up the ball with the hosel at impact leading to a shank. From the videos, it looks like when you do hit the ball well, you are barely missing the shank. Two things that I think will help you resolve this fairly quickly. Previous poster mentioned getting the weight on the balls of your feet: the easiest way to achieve this is to make sure that your knees are bent and are directly over the balls of your feet. If you look at the down the line shot, your knees are a little straightened out, creating instability, leading to a lack of solidity in your head's position. I suggest getting two bricks and standing them on their sides - then stand on the bricks with the arches of your feet and take slow quarter and then half swings. If you can get the feeling of "sitting" down more in your swing as well as a more stable platform, it will be much easier to keep your head steady. The second thing that I am positive will help is by addressing the ball with all of your weight on your front foot with your back foot in the same position, however on it's toes. Then just swing, follow through, hold the finish. This will force you to swing less than 100%, ingrain the feeling of having the majority of your weight transferring to the front foot at impact, and also show you what solid impact feels like. I also suggest performing the 9 to 3 drill, although it is somewhat less related to shanking than the above two things I mentioned. Whenever someone shanks it's almost always because of head movement/alteration of spine angle. By building a solid base by addressing the ball with your knees bent properly, you should be able to keep your head more still and resolve your issue. Let me know if you have any questions about the above.

It isn't the putting machine.. it's theputtinggame.com - i just started a thread about it.. it definitely looks really friggin cool - goto the website and watch the second video they have where they show you all the different "games" and drills it has. You can change the distance from the hole and even the stimp that the "green" plays to... I"m thinking about picking one up but they run about $300 - anyone try this thing?

Anyone use this before? I'm thinking about picking one up and was wondering if this is a helpful device

185 w/ a 6 iron is almost tour average... your dispersion is tight with a px 5.0 and that 6-iron distance? I'm surprised

When I bought the 68's and 58's a month ago, my guy told me that he might have to ask for more cash after he spoke to his rep (custom order) since i got KBS Tours... he never came back to ask for more cash. Plus last year when I picked up my 52's with PX 5.5's I paid $800 (cash no tax) for 8 irons... He might have just eaten the difference.... pretty much all i'm saying is that if the dealer charges you more for the "better" shafts he may just be trying to make some cash off of you and Mizuno isn't actually charging

As long as you don't buy the clubs at a big box retailer, you should be able to get Mizuno MP irons at about $100-110 a pop when you buy a set - so a good price would be $700 for 7irons. This is with the "upcharge" on shafts. The guy I goto doesn't upcharge for KBS or PX's as I do not think Mizuno does either.

Hit them all - I used to have the 52's and after I got better at ballstriking, I started disliking the feel (too thick of a feel at ball contact) I would suggest the 57's

So i've had the driver that I PURE'd for a week now and I've played three rounds and have spent about 15 hours on the range with it; I must say there is a difference. I originally had the spine in the 6 'o' clock position (logo down) and the shaft PURE'd with the logo up, 7.1* rotated. My misses are much more consistent - if I'm missing right on a string of drives at the range, they will miss right pretty consistently with the same trajectory. Nothing feels as random as it used to. I figure it may be a noticeable difference because the shaft was almost in the complete opposite orientation previously. Also, I meant to take a picture of the sign at the store, but my phone didn't save the pic for some reason. Pete's Golf Shop in Mineola had a sign posted that stated they had a source intimate to Tiger who was able to confirm that two sets of Tiger's clubs were SST PURE'd and when blind tested, Tiger picked the two sets that were PURE'd - they also requested that any customers with questions about this to ask. I'll take a pic of it next time I head over... Just some info..

I just picked up my driver from it getting PURE'd today and headed over to the range.... I don't know if it's just mental but the ball flight was much more consistent and there was no random ball flights going right and left. I had it installed logo down in the R9 TP position - after PUREing the shaft was installed logo up 7.1* off

I take lessons once every few months and even my pro says lessons are overrated and he's the one making the dolos. I spend my time practicing. You could take a lesson once a week and it won't do anything... most ppl who take tons of lessons don't practice enough on the side Plus I have the money so its not an issue. Thanks for your concern

I'm contemplating getting this done for my clubs. Does anyone have firsthand experience with SST PUREing and think that it was useful or made a difference? What are people's opinions on PUREing shafts? Thanks, Alan

I was recently considering a new set of irons (before I got my 68's) and i was put onto JDM (Japanese Domestic Market irons). Miuras will be slightly more expensive than Mizunos. I was looking at Miura's and someone who was more knowledgeable advised that Miura had plans to expand and they ended up moving their forgings to China and were essentially trying to turn into a bigger player in the golf club market (thereby implying a decrease in their quality). Many people who I spoke to spoke very highly of Epons which are forged by Endo... supposedly Endo forges some of the highest quality irons around. Epon just came out with some new irons as well. I've also heard that Epon is trying to expand their market share. A set of Epons or Miuras custom built (swingweight, length, loft, shaft, lie, etc.) will run you around 1500-2000. At the end of it all, I really couldn't tell the difference between the three after demoing them extensively and I ended up going with the Mizunos because of their fitting system and also because I didn't want to fork over about 200 bucks an iron for a difference i could not even notice.

This leads into a question I've had for a while: Since there is no downward pressure on a ball when it is struck with a golf club, why do "they" (yes, the man) teach you to always try to hit "an inch behind the ball" in a greenside bunker? I can understand why you'd do this if the ball is partially embedded in the sand, but doesn't this mean that if the ball is sitting cleanly in a greenside bunker, you can strike the ball as if you were chipping or pitching from the fairway?

On a stimpmeter of 10: 1" back and 1" through will give you enough to comfortably hole a 3 foot put (if the hole is three feet away). 2" back and 2" through will give you enough to comfortably hole a 6 foot put. So on and so on, essentially 1" - 3' I got this from a caddy when I went out to play at the Wynn course in Vegas. Worked very well and has worked well for me since.

No matter how you cut it (and I know a ton of people will disagree with me on this) kids do need to be pressured. All successful athletes and performers, etc. have had to be pushed along when they were younger by their parents/mentors. Of course there is a point where it becomes excessive, however a balance needs to be struck. I have to disagree with those who say "let the kid decide when he wants to practice". You need to let him make the decision as to whether he wants to play golf and get good, however you have to hold him to his decision and show him what it means to be dedicated/committed; otherwise, he will not succeed. This is from personal experience (not with golf).

This should be on golf channel between 9:30 and noon eastern time i believe.

LOL- I love how it worked out. Who else will be tuning in to Golf Channel to see Anthony Kim and Robert Allenby this Saturday in the Volvo Matchplay? I believe it's 8 CET

Can we see your iron swing too?

MP 68s Why? Because when you play with them, it doesn't feel like you are playing something as "difficult" to hit as a blade. I've only been playing for a year and just switched to the 68's and they work - that should be evidence enough that they are good blades: if I can play with them and not go nuts, they must be well made and "forgiving" enough.

As long as it is the F1 Motore it is the TP version. If there is no "F1" then it is non-TP

If he's swinging 125 - he's crushing the ball and will definitely need an x-flex. I've used the UST Proforce V2 in an S-Flex - it's slightly stiffer than what some people consider s-flex and it may come off as boardy until you swing it. It's a light shaft that really comes alive when you go at the ball. I used it in a TM Burner (09). I currently use a Fubuki in an R9. Feeling between the two is very different; if you like to go at the ball, I think the V2 in X would be something you should try. Just my 2 cents

The reason why I asked for a patent number is because there can be a ton of patents out there pertaining to a golf club with a device attached - there are probably even a few that even specify "accelerometers". United States Patent US3226704 is one of them - patented in 1965 "Golf Club Accelerometer". I'm pretty sure this isn't your friend Lloyd's as his was in 1994. My point is that just because it's an accelerometer on a golf club doesn't necessarily mean that Mizuno is infringing upon your friend's patent. Plus, if your claims of Mizuno having a 'watered down' system are true, then you have nothing to worry about as that would most certainly imply that there is no infringement since Mizuno's system would not contain the characteristics of your device that make it "patentable". A few more patents that are related to this - all from the 60's . If your friend's patent is not in application status anymore, I don't see how Mizuno, with the millions of dollars they have to spend on patent lawyers, would not be able to patent their own device (which is currently patent pending). US2942456 - Acceleration responsive devices US2986615 - Acceleration responsive device US3106403 - Club swing momentum indicator US3113781 - Swingable practice club with pivoted sound-producing member [...] There are many more. Sorry, I just didn't like how this thread was interrupted with claims that Mizuno's system is inferior to a system that you just happen to be using to turn a profit. It reminds me of the Rap/Hip-Hop industry.. throwing shots at the throne to boost oneself closer to the top...