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The Right Forearm Takeaway is a Golfing Machine (TGM) term and has a precise meaning. I don't claim any expertise in TGM but I think it best used with other components like zero plane shift and Turned Shoulder Plane, in other terms a relatively horizontal shoulder turn with the right elblow bending to keep the club on a "single" plane. I experimented with that on my own for some time and like the feel of keeping the Flying Wedges and the forearm behing the shaft (I feel more confortable with a Hitting type of swing). I'd say that if you want to go down that route, you need to make sure the other components of your swing are compatible and that needs good understanding of the book. On the other hand you are living very close to one of the expert TGM teaching pros !

I'd continue to work on "Steady Head" with the videos that mvmac posted. You could have someone with a club or an alignment rod touching the base of your neck from behind you so you can feel what it's like to maintain that point almost fixed, first with short swings and no club then with a club (make sure the person is safe!). Otherwise you can aso use a pillar or a wall, head agains the wall, no club, arms crossed against the check and make backswings and throughswings, shorter swing first.

It's a good starting point but some aspects of the address position make it harder to perform a "simple" swing. First, it looks like that you have you entire upper body forward of center to get the "weight forward". In fact the head should remain centered and the "weight forward" is obtained by sliding the hips towards the target. The entire concept of breaking the body movement into rotation, tilt and extension is to maintain the base of the neck centered (to keep the low point of the swing stable and to be able to rotate faster). With the head forward, the swing would be overly steep and the head has to backup in some way in the downswing to shallow the club. The feet should be flared out, in fact the legs should be flared out (to keep the knees roughly inline with the ankle and avoid putting too much lateral pressure on them). That nicely guides the hips to turn diagonaly when the leg straightens (I mean, not straight back behind as it would tend to cause sway) and maintain the hips relatively centered while rotating. It also help feeling pressure maintained on the forward foot. Last, you're standing too far away from the ball and do not keep enough connection between the upper arms and thorax. This promotes independent arm and wrist movements. Try to have the upper arm resting on your chest (I guess there is a range of acceptable positions depending on the individual, maybe as a start try to have the middle of the upper arm touching the thorax). In the backswing there is little arm movement, the upper arm don't lift at all (or barely) and the right elbow does not bend more than 90 degrees. The hands goes up and the club get steep enough because the upper body is tilted and we try to maintain the inclination to the ground. That is the hardest part for me in this swing as the backswing feels a lot tighter and shorter (in length and time) that what I'm used to.

I think S&T; tries to minimize the closing rate of the clubface in the impact zone, so I would say forearms rather square to the arc from 9 to 3 (not the clubface since that would lead to push as the basic ball flight for irons).

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The last three fingers of the left hand can be held firmly as long as tension does not built up in the forearm. As for the problem at the top, it's wild guess but have you established a flat left wrist (in TGM flat means in back of the *open* hand in line with forearm, or just wrist not bent and not arched) and a bent right wrist, and is the right forearm in support of the club ?

what colin said. In TGM this is called Extensor Action that is applied on pressure point #1 but not in order to move the left arm (that would be an accumulator action) but to straighten the left arm.

You don't need to put squeeze the pressure point at address, it might even be counter productive. The will feel pressure when the corresponding accumulator gets loaded: left arm across chest for #4 and right arm bending for #1. Pressure on #3 is evasive for me except when I get good lag in my swing. I must confess I don't feel much #2 nor I understand how useful it is.

The face is open (to the target) and square to the arc at impact, a swing path a little more right would transform this into a push-draw. For example, a little more hip slide and less rotation in the downswing should bring the path rightward, as would a higher handle at impact. On the other hand the problem could come from other pieces of the swing, so it's hard to give an actual recommendation without seeing your swing.

There's so much to work on. I think there's a lot of good information in Geoff Mangum's work. On the mechanical side the stroke should have a big enough region (~10 inches) around impact with an almost straight clubhead path and as little as possible clubhead rotation and be reproducible. To acheive that posture and grip are essential: - ball in center of eye sight and head position that allows to see the line to the hole when rotating the head around the axis (needs a relatively horizontal neck) - upper arms that hand naturally but still connected to chest - grip symmetric enough in both hands (so that one does not fight the other), with enough lock of the wrists (uncocking and/or Runyan type grip) and with enough sensitivity in the fingers (grip pressure and finger placement). For green reading, one can start at the hole, identifying the straight down line and so how the ball is supposed to enter the hole. Vision is essential to "see" the line so identify you dominant eye (but check that it actually is the best to see the line, e.g. on straight putts). For distance, use a "ball stop" by laying out a club across the line behind the hole and putt to just miss it.

I haven't studied Mike Austin's swing in details but saw a lot of the videos and followed discussions in various forums. It's a swing that is optimised to produce maximum speed, with lot of moving body parts (hand throw, arm throw, lots of lower body drive). In such it is rather efficient it seems but it looks like it requires good athletic abilities (coordination and proprioception) to make it consistent enough for people that can't practice several times a week.

I agree but the S&T; 2.0 DVDs are maybe too detailed for people starting from scratch. I've only see one of the original DVD but it does a good job at describing the base model.

Agreed ! I once thought of a web site or an app that would present the concepts and the interconnections between them with direct quotes from the book.

I did not really "buy" the club throwing from the book but kept a couple of ideas. The first is that I should be more aware of what my body is doing in the swing, even when working on technique. It's too easy for me to get lost in forcing the club to the "good position", I'd better focus more on figuring out how to move my body to make it happen. The second is that it's natural to want to "look good" and not hit terrible shots... but when undoing a significant swing change, there will be terrible or at least bad shots, they must be accepted as part of the process.

I started paying only iron a couple of years ago when I played with a friend women golfer. I started with her on the women forward or back tee and use the iron that matched her driver length. I had fun and since then I regularly play iron only also from the men's forward tees.

I have the Apex+ from the early 2000's and I love the very soft feel.

I think the important part is the word "tilting" and not "tilted". If you assume you usual address and rotate only the hips, the head goes back and in. In order to keep the head where it is at adress you have to compensate the effect of the rotation by straitening the back and leaning to your left. If this is overdone, yes one ends up tilted toward the target (and some may feel like they're doing it just to keep the head centered). Everyone with a steady head in their swing is doing it, not just Stack and Tilt'ers.

Did you try Golfing Machine Hitting ? That's also a move powered by the trail arm but with more structure (straight left arm, flat left wrist), it's relatively easy to learn as far as pitching and chipping is concerned (look for Lynn Blakes videos or John Furze's, there's not a lot of people teaching to my knowledge).

I've read it a long time ago.... in English although I'm French If you point me to the French sentence and where it is in the book I can check the translation ! Beacause of the "lawn mower" backswing move, you may have to put more arms in his OPS than say Slicefixer's, but shoulders?

She's also not banking the right foot, the heel lift pretty quickly and it looks like she has to pause to maintain the spine angle (the right leg has to stay bent to compensate for the heel lifting early).

Thanks Mike !

In the second vidéo he was still doing TGM Hitting (worked with Lynn Blake) and in the first he's more S&T; like (I'd be interested to know if he's still mostly hitting, since he does not have that much of a wrist cock). While he was working with Lynn Blake he was setting up on the Turned Shoulder Plane ("high hands at address") and had minimal plane shift during the swing, He apparently setup on the Hands-Only Plane and return to the Elbow Plane, so large plane shift and flater swing plane at impact.

He's a GSEM ! He should have known way before from the Golfing Machine !

That probably would help just by shifting the focus from the club head (that may induce steering) to the forearms/hands (where and how your body should move them, the club comes along for the ride).

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