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Membership to me afford much more than just golf. I pay $2000 per year, it doesn't include cart or anything but the benefit for me is that after work I can stop by play nine holes with 2 or 3 balls and be home in time for dinner. I also like playing with the group of guys I play with out there. The wife plays and the kids are getting into it now. It's a value thing for me the money is a whole separate issue, I am just glad it's only 2 grand annually, i"d pay more for.

If she's gay I want to be a lesbian.

Oh Hell no!! You really want to subject yourself to that? Pass I wouldn't play with him any more, life is too short to worry about people like this, leave em behind and play with decent people. Sad thing is the guy probably just doesn't know any better. Anyone who says this wouldn't bother them is either a lier or a hack that just doesn't care. I care when I am playing, most guys do.

My up and down average for the last four years went like this 59%, 64%,68%, 73% so far this year. Short game is getting better and it's worth practicing. Scramble stats includes any green not hit in reg. I just keep track of within 50 yards up and down. Hitting a ball into the water and then hitting the green not in reg does not relate to my short game.

range balls run the entire gambit they can be longer or significantly shorter. Many ranges use limited flight balls because it keeps them in a smaller area from which to pick them.

The single most important and most often over looked aspect of the wedge is the bounce. If you play a soft manicured course the more bounce the better, if play in Texas with hard pan every where less bounce is better. you'll still need some bounce out of the sand but the softer it is the bounce I want. I always keep one extra wedge at home if I am plying somewhere I know it will be hard I take out the 12 degree bounce and put in the 6. I don't need it much but it make s a huge difference.

Just switched to the Callaway i(S) after 25 years of faithful Titleist use. It's a better ball, plain and simple. Less driver spin an uptick in iron distance and great feel, it's also a bit more durable. To be fair I haven't a 2011 pro V1 I still had boxes left over from last year. I have two boxes of this years Titleist but plan on trading them for Callaway's shortly. Went through 2 FT Tour drivers both snapped right at the hosel and gave up up on it.

If you honestly think the short game is not an important facet of the game I am not going to try to change your mind. There is no such thing as a scratch golfer without at least a decent short game and there is no worthy professional golfer without a great short game. Guys who can 14 greens and shoot in the mid 70's are a dime a dozen. If that's all you want to do have at it. If you really have any interest in being a a good player one needs to hone every aspect of the game. Getting up and down for par is just as important as hitting it close for birdie. I believe each shot counts the same. No body hits 18 greens every time out. Short game should be 50% of practice, this includes putting.

Carl is a chopper but he seems to get away with it. His fashion sense is a bit strange but he thinks his way around and that is his biggest advantage.

Our state golf association (Indiana) has an App for that. It's awesome! Real time scoring and handicap look up and posting but our club is no longer allowing people to post their scores.

saevel25 Did you trade your rule book for a tattoo?

If you are satisfied with bogey most of the time don't worry about it. There is no such thing as a scratch golfer with a lousy short game, doesn't exist. Nobody hits 17 greens everyday. Giving shots back because of a lack in short game is foolish.

This is like asking a crack dealer if it's too late to try some rock?

P.S. GO IRISH!!!!

If the money bothers you at all I wouldn't do it. Having clubs that are precisely consistent mixed with a swing that is not isn't going to make you a better player. I did one set a few years ago and I loved them, I thought it was great. My next set was off the rack and I kinda figured I justified the expense with the first set but I don't think it made that much of a difference.

Unreal... Contact your golf committee or board of directors and have it stopped. Not only is he cheating but he is costing the club money in cleaning up his mess. I would charge him $20 for every time he dirties a cart. That'll probably stop it, if it doesn't the $20 bucks covers the additional expense.

I just realized that many golfers have no idea just how good these guys are or how tough the courses they play are. If you think a PGA tour player is a +5 at best so be it. I can accept that your wrong. Marc Leishman and Dean Wilson are currently tied for the 100th spot on the tours scoring average, their average is a respectable 71.36 playing on courses that rate typically higher than 75. Take into consideration that tournament pressure and tour set up makes the scoring that much more difficult I would conservatively up the course rating one shot. Since they average 71.36 their top ten scores out of twenty are more likely to be an average of of up to 2 shots less, round up to the nearest half point and you have 69.5 playing a rating conservatively estimated at 75. The 100th ranked pga tour pros are +6 handicaps and these are the guys fighting to keep their card every year. Steve Stricker currently leads scoring at 69.45. So he's more like a +8 or +9 I rest my case A plus handicapper can shoot mid to high 70's but rarely in the 80's. The last time I shot in the 80's was over two years ago. I play a wide variety of golf courses through out the year.

Think positive for four hours, it's hard to do but it can be done. I am playing this weekend as well in my county championship. Good event and I have a good shot at it. We'll impart some mutual mojo on one another. GOOD LUCK!!! PLAY WELL.

Actually if you look at it for what it is, the course rating as related to your handicap. At most tour events they are playing courses that almost all have a 76 or higher course rating, throw in tour set up and that number increases by one at least. Given that your handicap is based on your best out of five rounds a typical tour player is playing to more like +7 or +8. The winner is most definitely playing to a +10 in any given week if they shoot 14 or more under. I am +1 and there is some pressure to perform that way every round but a plus one is expected to average around par or even slightly higher. I am fairly consistent but i have shot a couple rounds of 74 or 75 this year but for the most part I keep it between 3 under to even par. Our home course is a fairly short but tight, slope rating of 133. If they held a tour even there I would anticipate the leaders shooting 8 to 10 under every round. The courses these guys play week in and week out are much more difficult that the typical golf course. A tour player that had a legit +4 wouldn't be a tour player for very long. I am light years away form that kind of golf. Mickleson would have to give me 4-5 per side before I even thought about playing him for anything worthwhile. Was this guy legit? Hell no... He's not sponsored by All State, his dad probably owns an office with that on the sign so I guess he feels better saying that. His vanity handicap is a result of playing with the old man or by himself with some creative scoring. Too many golfers out there want everyone to think how great they are as a result of all the stories. I prefer to see a guy who you know is great by simple observation. I have an endless supply of personal stories on the golf course I have shot some great rounds and hit some great shots. I learned many many years go that I am the only person who really cares. I keep em to myself because to do otherwise is just plain arrogance. The more a guy talks about how great he is the more likely he's just another 5-6 handicap that thinks he's a whole lot better than he is.

I have no problem with the euro's. I like good golf and they seem to have their fair share. The European tour will always be the kid brother to the American tour. The PGA Tour is just deeper, much deeper. But The euro's have the upper hand when it comes to the top 15 in the world. Although all too often the European tour means the rest of the entire world in many cases. Which by all accounts should answer why the rest of the world can produce some good golf as opposed to one country. I like good golf and I don't really care where it comes from.

my distance over the years.... 20's 330 30's 320 40's 290 when i really hit it. Keep in mind I was always very long. In my twenties I join the Yonex long drive team for a very short stint of one event. It was such a circus I returned my check and got away from it. The money wasn't worth losing my amateur status back then. My highest swing speed was recorded in my late teens at 142MPH I haven't been checked much since then but was i was recorded at 123 mph a few weeks ago. I still have some of it and I am not complaining but I have seen a significant drop in the past two years. I have lost 20 yards in the past 2 years at this rate I'll be hitting driver from 140 par 3 by the time I am 50!! of course my irons have dropped about one full club in the past 20 years as well. 3 irons used to be good from 235 now I am lucky if I hit it 220, in fact from that distance I would honestly hit a really smooth 1 hybrid. I had a real rude awakening when I played a course a few weeks ago that I haven't played in 15 years. I used to play there all the time, enough to be able to remember what I would typically hit on various holes. Sure enough I was sad to realize those club selections from 15 years ago were for someone else. 185 yard 7 irons are no longer in my arsenal, I am lucky if I hit a 6 iron a solid 180. Losing distance sucks, I know many that read this won't feel too sorry for me and that's fine. I am not looking for sympathy. I am just hoping I can keep what I have a bit longer and not see a 20 yard drop every couple years. May be time to start working out and keeping some flexibility. BTW age does cause some distance loss, My father who was as long as I was many years ago is in remarkable shape at 71 but hitting his driver 240 any more is a good poke for him. I hope I can be as fortunate hit it 240 when I am 71.

Quote: Tiger cheated on his wife, he didn't kill anyone, engage in a high speed chase while driving a white Explorer, rob a bank or blow up a building. It's news now because Tiger was/is an icon and the media enjoys "exposing" such people to the public because it makes them money. Babe Ruth was a drunk and womanizer, but 50 years later he's placed on a pedestal and everyone cried foul when Barry Bonds broke his record along with Aarons. Chamberlin claims to have slept with over 20,000 women but is mostly remembered for being one of the greatest centers in basketball. Most sports legends of the past weren't angels, but today, most are remembered for their accomplishments within their sport, not their failures as a human being. I wouldn't excuse any of their behavior. Tiger is an exception because his outing was the begining of his downfall and it was entirely his own doing. Hard to argue that poor personal choices lead to his current slide down the ranks.

Quote: who shattered the racial stereotype of golf being a sport played and won only by whites. Wow?! Lee Elder, Calvin Peete, Vijay Singh, and a several others, Ever heard of these guys? Racism in golf doesn't exist any more does it? No more than it does in the NBA. If you have the skills and the ability to play you get in, skin color is no longer a factor and I am not old enough to know a time when it was. I have been playing for 30 years. Here's a little African American history in golf... 1896 - John Shippen became the first black to play in the U.S. Open. He began the second day of the event tied for first place! He had a disastrous stroke of luck that began when his drive landed in a sand trap. He took eleven strokes to complete the 13th hole! 1899 - Dr. George Grant - Invented the golf tee, it was the first to be registered by the US Patent office. But, the prominent Boston dentist never marketed his invention. Twenty-five years later, a white golfer patented a tee, marketed it, and was credited with the invention. *date un clear - Ann Gregory is reputed to be the first black woman to enter a USGA event.*date un clear -under research. 1925 - George Adams became a founding member of the United Golf Association. 1934 - In search of information about 'James "Pat" Ball'? 1935 - Women's Eastern Champion -Rhonda Fowler was a pioneering black woman golfer. 1946 - Bill Powell designs and opens Clearview G.C. 1948 - Theodore "Rags" Rhodes , Bill Spiller and Madison Gunther filed a civil lawsuit against the PGA, for civil rights violations. The PGA changes to an 'invitation only" format to avoid its legal and moral obligations to let these black men play in the PGA tournaments. But by standing up and taking a stance these men made significant in-roads and gained empathy for the movement. 1950 - Ann Gregory wins the National UGA Tournament in Washington, D.C., she won a total of six championships of the seven tournaments that she entered. 1954 - Harold Dunovant turned pro and was one of the first black golfers to attend the PGA Business School in Long Beach, California. He is the head pro at Minorcas Golf Course in Winston Salem and the founder of the National Black Golfers Hall of Fame. 1956- Ann Gregory becomes the first African American to enter the U.S. Amateur Championship held in Indianapolis, Indiana. 1962 - Charlie Sifford becomes the first African American PGA Tour member. 1963 - Althea Gibson broke the color line, and as it is well documented was highly successful as a tennis professional. 1964 - Pete Brown Win's the Waco Open. 1966 - Ben Davis was admitted to the Michigan PGA. 1967 - Renee Powell Joined the LPGA Tour and was a active competitor for 13 years. Now She works with the golfing industry promoting minority golf and running Clearview Golf Course founded by her father. 1968 - Ben Davis becomes the first Black head Golf Course Pro at Rackham Golf Course in Detroit, MI. 1975 - Lee Elder becomes the first black to play at the Masters Tournament at Augusta National. 1979 - Lee Elder played on the U.S. Ryder Cup Team 1991 - First Black member of Augusta National admitted. 1997 - Eldrick " Tiger " Woods becomes the first African-American Masters Champion

This may be th eworst batch of golfers ever on BB. None of these guys look to be very good at all.

Net golf should be reserved for Women.