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  2. I meant my question "who are they". I bet it would have not taken too much trouble to leave that snarky remark unwritten and just give out the real information, for which I thank you.
  3. Would it have hurt if you had answered my question?
  4. No, I sincerely hope there is no precedence in incorrect rulings, such as this one. What I am mostly concerned is that there were TWO professional referees who were BOTH wrong. Should not happen, no way. Who is "they" ? And where that clarification can be read/seen?
  5. So be it. Poor jokes are not meant to be understood, IMO.
  6. Is ratio .420 for reputation good or bad? How is it calculated?
  7. No, I am still here but have not been active. Thank You for worrying 😁
  8. Once again intent is the key.
  9. 1) I agree but I also think it should be up to the course designer to very carefully think through which depressions are for so called everyday use and which are not. Heavy storm is an extreme example and I would not use a lot of effort to deal with cases such as that but would rather put the focus on depressions where water is frequently present and that fulfil the Definition with regard to collecting and directing water. 2) Now that is rather self-evident, don't you think? It is the criteria what I am after here. This is one of those issues in golf that have no B&W solution and that is why I took it up as it is good to gather many different opinions and I believe that is why people like You and me bother to spend our time on forums like this. Or what do you think?
  10. Dave, how would you define a ditch? How deep / wide / long must it be to be a ditch and not a depression? Must it not be grass-covered? Something else? The term 'other open watercourse' gives lots of latitude IMO...
  11. I must say this is an intriguing issue. On the other hand the Definition of a Penalty Area is very clear and on the other hand any undulation on a fairway built to direct water could be regarded as a PA based on the Definition. So, the question arises: where to draw the line? Any ideas / guidelines / experiences on the matter? Or is the Definition too strict..?
  12. The rocks need not be visible. On order to made a correct judgement one needs to be there and neither of us is.
  13. If it is a French drain then it might be treated as an Immovable Obstruction (or GUR), depending whether there is enough soil on top of the construction or not. Personally I would like to see such channels on top of a French drain to be treated as IO's. After all, it is a construction and makes playing more difficult than on either side of that channel.
  14. From the picture and the posts from the OP I have come to the conclusion that this undulation is built for the purpose of both collecting and directing water (away from the fairway). If that is the case it falls under the Definition of a Penalty Area as it is equivalent to a ditch - an open water course (whether or not containing water). But if it is just an undulation created with no other specific purpose than to satisfy the course designer then it is not a PA and any water in it would be Temporary Water. IMO that is due to the shape of the undulation, the mower blades cannot reach the bottom. But I agree with you, the worn out area could be marked as GUR as long as it is outside the margins of the undulation (no GUR in a PA). It does not matter whether the wear origins from hitting balls, as long as it is a substantially large area and not fit for play.
  15. At this point Erik would say 'this is a Rules forum' and I would concur with him. Making one's own rules is not what golf is about. There is nothing wrong to play golf not abiding to the Rules of Golf but it is IMHO important to know when one is doing that. However, there is no contribution presenting here rules that do not exists.
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