Went to Montreal's two well known bagel shops a couple of times. St Viateur and Fairmount. Although I've had Montreal style bagels at Black Seed Bagels in NY, wanted the real thing. Not religious about which is better, they are different. Montreal bagels are crunchier on the outside, more dense on the inside, a bit smaller, a big plus for me, cheaper, and there are some interesting types - rosemary for one. I'm not sure what seedless was. Nonetheless, I really liked them, but they're different from NY bagels, which are chewier for one. One thing though, Montreal bagels don't keep as well. You have to eat them straight away, otherwise they dry up quickly, maybe I don't know the locals' clever methods to keep them fresh. Will stop by Black Seed one day just to gauge how they are compared to the real thing while the taste is fresh in my mind.