Question about Sergio DQ

[JonnyGolf]

In a recent article about Boo vs Sergio, the wrote that in the tournament that Sergio got DQd because of an incorrect scorecard, they said it was because Boo Weekly didn't add it up correctly.

I thought the only thing they were concerned with was actual hole by hole score, not errors in addition. Was the article correct that it was an addition error and not a hole scored incorrectly?

[joshiemac25]

I think the article you were reading must have been referring to their incident last year I believe without seeing the actual article.

Sergio signed the card and thought that it was correct, and Boo had added wrong, so he had to be DQ'd.

In match play it is just hole by hole, no cards involved to my knowledge.

[p_funk]

This happened during the PGA Championship last year. It was not an addition error, it was a wrong score. Boo Weekley, put down a 4 for Garcia on the 17th hole when he really made a 5 and Sergio signed off on it.

[hawkeye]

the article may have been misleading because all you sign for is that the 18 scores are correct (and the date, tournament, player name, handicap for am's etc)

i know of players who when marking your card they never add it up - and we mostly play stableford in Ireland - i know of people who don't put in the stableford score which is a pain for the competition people!

[Eore]

its sergio's fault for not checking his score card well, especially since the offending hole was the 17th. "what a stupid he is"

[geezer]

its sergio's fault for not checking his score card well, especially since the offending hole was the 17th. "what a stupid he is"

Well maybe he was just too trusting, in assuming that Boo weekley could count.

Then again, that is the man who didn't know putts could be conceeded in matchplay...

[golf_junkie27]

Here's the thing I don't understand. There are scoreboards at all events and every group has a scorekeeper. He/She is the official scorer and has final say. Why would you have to keep score for your playing partner and visa-versa? Why have the responsibility of the correct scores lie in the hands of your playing partner?

(For what it's worth, this happened twice with Sergio and Boo. Sergio caught the mistake the second time. Which just makes me think he's careless)

[rudygu]

He wasn't being "too trusting". He was being typical Sergio. He didn't like his score and just signed the card in a huff without checking it.

Personally, I don't think they should make the players keep each others score. They have enough to think about while playing and the officials obviously don't rely on it for the official score. That being said, I can't imagine not carefully checking the card before signing it. Especially in a major, considering the penalty for signing off on an incorrect score.

[mikelz]

Here's the thing I don't understand. There are scoreboards at all events and every group has a scorekeeper. He/She is the official scorer and has final say. Why would you have to keep score for your playing partner and visa-versa? Why have the responsibility of the correct scores lie in the hands of your playing partner?

Those signs are informational.

The group scorekeeper is a volunteer (i.e., a nobody like me). The official score is the cards in the player's pockets. Generally, each player keeps two cards. One for himself to error check the other guy. A second one for the other guy. If the only check a player makes is the matching totals, he's pretty much a moron. Guys that don't pay attention get what they deserve.

[golf_junkie27]

Those signs are informational.

Mike,

A quick question, though. Suppose both players write down a "4", instead of what it was, a "5." The scorekeeper walking with them records the correct score, though, the "5.". Which one is correct? I'm asking because I thought the scorekeeper was the official scorer.

[mikelz]

Mike,

Just to feel more comfortable I'm gonna look it up.

[JonnyGolf]

This happened during the PGA Championship last year. It was not an addition error, it was a wrong score. Boo Weekley, put down a 4 for Garcia on the 17th hole when he really made a 5 and Sergio signed off on it.

That's what I thought. It specifically said "addition error", but I think it was a wrong score on a hole that created the DQ.

[mikelz]

Mike,

I just Googled a bunch of words. The PGA site has just about zero rules information. They link you to the USA. One thing I did find with PGA in the search string is that the players are the 'markers' of each others' scores. I think the scorekeeper ladies are there so the pros don't have to talk to 'sign guy'. They certainly would not be part of "The Committee". Here's what the USGA says. * In stroke play, a member of the Committee who is knowledgeable about the Rules of Golf should receive the score cards from the players at the conclusion of the stipulated round. The person receiving the score cards should a) ask the players to check their hole by hole scores and if there are any Rules questions or issues to resolve, b) ensure that the competitor and his marker have both signed the score card, and c) suggest that the player remain in the scoring area until the score card has been checked. Changes to the player's score card may not be made once the score card has been returned (see Rule 6-6c and Decision 6-6c/1) http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/competitions/comm_responsibilities.html So, while being a scorekeeper volunteer might be an OK way to spend your time, it doesn't give you any authority.

[hawkeye]

I've worked as a scoreboard-boy on the European Tour - obviously you don't ask the players "was that a 7 or an 8?" when you're unsure - but the caddies are very helpful.

Along with the scoreboard boy is an official marker (who communicates with the official European Tour ScoreBoard (in the tented village). They get an official "score" at the end of each hole - usually one of the caddies will say "3,3,4" in the order of the players in the draw (same as the scoreboard-boy's scoreboard)

I got it wrong a couple of times and the caddies put me right! The players don't pay any attention to you or your score. They don't let it bother them, they're professionals.

As for sergio - it probably won't happen to him again!

[iacas]

That's what I thought. It specifically said "addition error", but I think it was a wrong score on a hole that created the DQ.

I think what happened was simply this: Boo put the wrong score down for one of the holes, then ADDED it incorrectly to get the right total score. Sergio looked only at the total score, assumed the individual hole scores (which are all that matter) were right, and stormed off.

So it was an addition error that led to Sergio missing the wrong hole score, but an addition error (unless it's "adding" penalty strokes on one hole or something) will never result in a DQ. The golfer is responsible only for the individual hole scores.

[golf_junkie27]

Thank you, Mike!

[ganjagolfer]

Well maybe he was just too trusting, in assuming that Boo weekley could count.

boo says he was never good at math who is boo weekley?

[JonnyGolf]

I think what happened was simply this: Boo put the wrong score down for one of the holes, then ADDED it incorrectly to get the right total score. Sergio looked only at the total score, assumed the individual hole scores (which are all that matter) were right, and stormed off.

I agree with this synopsis. I just can't imagine not checking hole by hole. What if two holes got transposed? Anyway, thanks for the response.