New Irons and Lie Angle Question

[Bree1982]

Hi guys,

Ive went and bought a set of Mizuno JPX 921 Forged irons from eBay, prob is l never read the description fully, they are 2 degrees flat.

Im 6ft, 36" wrist to floor and using Ping's guide that would make me 2 degrees up(green).

My current irons are Titleist AP1 718 and the are more upright from std than the mizunos....

So l know l can have them bent, but do you think going from 2 flat to 2 up will be ok for the clubs...?

Thanks

Brendan

[Vinsk]

18 minutes ago, Bree1982 said:

Hi guys,

Ive went and bought a set of Mizuno JPX 921 Forged irons from eBay, prob is l never read the description fully, they are 2 degrees flat.

Im 6ft, 36" wrist to floor and using Ping's guide that would make me 2 degrees up(green).

My current irons are Titleist AP1 718 and the are more upright from std than the mizunos....

So l know l can have them bent, but do you think going from 2 flat to 2 up will be ok for the clubs...?

Thanks

Brendan

@Adam C can help with this.

[Bree1982]

Just now, Vinsk said:

@Adam C can help with this.

Thanks, the clubs are just about to arrive aswel, feeling really angry with myself

[boogielicious]

58 minutes ago, Bree1982 said:

Hi guys,

Ive went and bought a set of Mizuno JPX 921 Forged irons from eBay, prob is l never read the description fully, they are 2 degrees flat.

Im 6ft, 36" wrist to floor and using Ping's guide that would make me 2 degrees up(green).

My current irons are Titleist AP1 718 and the are more upright from std than the mizunos....

So l know l can have them bent, but do you think going from 2 flat to 2 up will be ok for the clubs...?

Thanks

Brendan

They should be ok to bend. Bring them to a good builder or shop to do it.

[Bree1982]

6 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

They should be ok to bend. Bring them to a good builder or shop to do it.

Oh really, fantastic...!  been reading online that 2 degrees is max, but l wasnt sure if moving 4 ie 2 back to std, the 2 up would be ok

but ty, makes me slightly less annoyed with myself

[boogielicious]

2 minutes ago, Bree1982 said:

Oh really, fantastic...!  been reading online that 2 degrees is max, but l wasnt sure if moving 4 ie 2 back to std, the 2 up would be ok

but ty, makes me slightly less annoyed with myself

They are forged, so that helps. They most like were bent from standard to begin with.

[Bree1982]

2 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

They are forged, so that helps. They most like were bent from standard to begin with.

Its my own stupid fault, the seller clearly said it in the description, l just did not read it properly...

However annoyed with myself, im looking forward to giving them a hit lol

Never owned Mizuno clubs, told they are really good

[Vinsk]

43 minutes ago, Bree1982 said:

Its my own stupid fault, the seller clearly said it in the description, l just did not read it properly...

However annoyed with myself, im looking forward to giving them a hit lol

Never owned Mizuno clubs, told they are really good

If you’re only going by a static fitting you may not need any adjustment at all. I’m 6’2,  35” WTF and play +1” and 1* flat.

[Adam C]

I just bent a Mizuno iron to failure a day ago for a new video coming out Friday. Won't spoil it, but will tell you I got more than 4 degrees out of it without issue. Also, before you go bending anything, go ahead and check the lie angles yourself so you aren't just guessing at what you need.

 

[Bree1982]

36 minutes ago, Adam C said:

I just bent a Mizuno iron to failure a day ago for a new video coming out Friday. Won't spoil it, but will tell you I got more than 4 degrees out of it without issue. Also, before you go bending anything, go ahead and check the lie angles yourself so you aren't just guessing at what you need.

 

Hi Adam,

Great Video and l will be doing this tomorrow at the range..!

Great to know that 4 degrees is going to be ok, looking forward to the video now...!

Thanks again

Brendan

[Roblar]

Thanks for the video Adam - really neat to see. 

 

Can I ask TST hive mind a few honest, but basic, naïve, and ignorant questions...

 

When it comes to lie angle, how much does how you set-up to the ball change things?  For a given club, wouldn't the lie angles change as you get closer to your body or farther from the body?   (And those changes might change how tall/bent you stand at address too?)

 

When a skilled golfer grabs someone else's clubs and hits them well, the lie angle might be off, but are they intuitively (or explicitly) able to adjust via the set up? 

 

How much should we adjust our set-up to our clubs? How much should we adjust our clubs to our set up?

 

(Apologies if these Qs have been addressed elsewhere! I'm curious because I suspect that some of my inconsistency comes from an inconsistent set up. ...and I've never done an iron fitting / looked at lie angle before, but I have played around with setting up closer to / farther from the ball.)

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Roblar
Clarify question.

[boogielicious]

8 hours ago, Roblar said:

Thanks for the video Adam - really neat to see. 

 

Can I ask TST hive mind a few honest, but basic, naïve, and ignorant questions...

 

When it comes to lie angle, how much does how you set-up to the ball change things?  For a given club, wouldn't the lie angles change as you get closer to your body or farther from the body?   (And those changes might change how tall/bent you stand at address too?)

 

When a skilled golfer grabs someone else's clubs and hits them well, the lie angle might be off, but are they intuitively (or explicitly) able to adjust via the set up? 

 

How much should we adjust our set-up to our clubs? How much should we adjust our clubs to our set up?

 

(Apologies if these Qs have been addressed elsewhere! I'm curious because I suspect that some of my inconsistency comes from an inconsistent set up. ...and I've never done an iron fitting / looked at lie angle before, but I have played around with setting up closer to / farther from the ball.)

 

Lie can be affected by set up, but it is really impact position that is key. The shaft is actually bending down slightly at impact. So the head is slightly flattened with respect to the shaft. If you set up too close or too far from the ball, it can vary the head position at impact.

One trick I use at set up is to let my right arm hang free. If I can then move it to the club without moving it in or away from my body, then my set up is in the right spot.

[Roblar]

Thanks Boogielicious. I'm going to try that out asap!

[Roblar]

Tried your tip out today, and it appears that my normal setup follows your guidance.  That was comforting.  ...my scoring, on the other hand...

[boogielicious]

8 hours ago, Roblar said:

Tried your tip out today, and it appears that my normal setup follows your guidance.  That was comforting.  ...my scoring, on the other hand...

Just keep it in mind on the course. There are times where my setup goes astray.