Why is Shallowing on the Downswing So Desirable?

[ZANDER1994]

So I watch a lot of golf instruction on Youtube and a recurring theme I hear over and over is how you need to shallow the club in the downswing. Seems like it helps players come from the inside and effectively hit a draw. 

I personally have never been good at shallowing the club but I can pretty easily hit a high draw that starts straight and falls maybe 5-10 yards to the left (video of me at the range today below doing this). 
 

My handicap is somewhere around a 15 at the moment (shooting mid-high 80s) and I’m wondering if I should be spending significant time learning the “shallow” move or if it’s just golf instruction buzz that would just make me hit more of a push draw. Appreciate hearing any opinions on the matter.
 

https://streamable.com/rxvvjl

[saevel25]

1 minute ago, ZANDER1994 said:

I’m wondering if I should be spending significant time learning the “shallow” move or if it’s just golf instruction buzz that would just make me hit more of a push draw. Appreciate hearing any opinions on the matter.

No way to say. your swing may need something completely different to make it more consistent to take that next step.

[iacas]

Even with the "off" camera angle… there's no real way this is a push draw:

It may be high (because you flip a bit and have a GI club) and it may finish at the target (because you aim right), but it's not a good player's draw.

[ZANDER1994]

21 minutes ago, iacas said:

Even with the "off" camera angle… there's no real way this is a push draw:

It may be high (because you flip a bit and have a GI club) and it may finish at the target (because you aim right), but it's not a good player's draw.

Was hoping you’d comment! Yes, definitely not a push draw. For me when I hit a draw, it starts reasonably straight and just turns left 5-10 yards with anything 8i up. With long clubs like a 6i down I’d say it’s more of a slight pull when I choose to hit the draw and peels a little more left like 10-15 yards. In this video with the 8 iron the ball is starting at the tree above my knees and ending at the tree I’m sitting on in this picture. 

I’m curious *why* this is presumably a bad draw. I understand shallowing the club will produce more of a push draw, but why is that more desirable? I struggle to shallow the club, and prefer to hit a fade 99% of the time. So when I need to draw the ball I’ve always felt it is much easier to aim right and take my natural slightly out to in swing and just feel like I keep the left elbow in. It produces a draw that starts where I aim and turns left. So many videos talk about the push draw being preferred but no ever says why. 

[iacas]

12 minutes ago, ZANDER1994 said:

Was hoping you’d comment! Yes, definitely not a push draw. For me when I hit a draw, it starts reasonably straight and just turns left 5-10 yards with anything 8i up.

I'd wager it doesn't. Unless you're toeing them all.

Get good high-speed video from a good angle. Or get on a Trackman or FlightScope.

12 minutes ago, ZANDER1994 said:

I’m curious *why* this is presumably a bad draw.

If it's high, it's because you've flipped at it. If it's not actually all that high, it's because you've pulled it.

12 minutes ago, ZANDER1994 said:

I’m curious *why* this is presumably a bad draw. I understand shallowing the club will produce more of a push draw, but why is that more desirable? I struggle to shallow the club, and prefer to hit a fade 99% of the time. So when I need to draw the ball I’ve always felt it is much easier to aim right and take my natural slightly out to in swing and just feel like I keep the left elbow in. It produces a draw that starts where I aim and turns left. So many videos talk about the push draw being preferred but no ever says why. 

Because it's hit higher than a pull-draw.

If you normally hit a fade, you shouldn't really try to hit a draw that often, and when you do, you shouldn't change your swing to do it.

But you should still be shallower than that. That's quite steep.

[Esox]

57 minutes ago, iacas said:

If you normally hit a fade, you shouldn't really try to hit a draw that often, and when you do, you shouldn't change your swing to do it.

But you should still be shallower than that. That's quite steep.

Darn Skippy. The right elbow is a bit out towards the ball. whilst the hips have barely turned. Any further and I I would call it an over the top recovery move.

[Never3putt]

2 hours ago, Esox said:

Darn Skippy. The right elbow is a bit out towards the ball. whilst the hips have barely turned. Any further and I I would call it an over the top recovery move.

Big chicken wing on follow through says a lot about that, as well.