LAB Creator on Aiming Bias

[wetzel1592]

I thought this was an interesting discussion about someone asking about how lines impact aiming and LAB creator’s response. They were specifically asking about an Edel fitting. I don’t know what he was expecting posting this in a LAB forum.

Why would you want to have to “work” on your aiming or overcome an aiming issue? I go to the eye doctor every year and they’ve said for the past 10 years your eyesight hasn’t changed. Am I missing something when he says it “changes all the time”? 
 

I did an Edel fitting and went from aiming a foot right to spot on. I don’t use a line on the ball any longer and can just step up and putt knowing where I’m looking and where I’m aiming match. It changed my whole perspective on putters. I’d be fearful now of buying a putter just based off what I think looks good because I’d always be worried if I’m aiming where I’m looking. 

[ChetlovesMer]

31 minutes ago, wetzel1592 said:

I did an Edel fitting and went from aiming a foot right to spot on. I don’t use a line on the ball any longer and can just step up and putt knowing where I’m looking and where I’m aiming match. It changed my whole perspective on putters. I’d be fearful now of buying a putter just based off what I think looks good because I’d always be worried if I’m aiming where I’m looking. 

The exact same for me. Although I think I was more like 20 inches right of the hole, but yeah, same thing. 

I'm telling you, the LAB putter people are a cult. The only thing in golf I've ever seen similar to this is The PROV1 cult. "Raise your right and swear; I will only play PROV1's, no matter if my handicap is north of 30 and I loose 9 golf balls per round." They are like Starbucks fans or I-phone people who refuse to admit the competition might be better as some stuff. 

I have very literally heard people at the driving range talking about putters and bringing up "The Revealer". Saying things like "Have you seen how much putter X spins in The Revealer? ... You gotta get a LAB putter." 

The other thing I find fascinating is the number of people who say something like "LAB putters are individually custom built, they aren't massed produced. That's why they cost so much." It is as if everyone of them is as unique as a fingerprint. 🤷‍♂️

I gotta give LAB all the credit in the world. Their marketing department has done wonders. Image what "The Hammer" could have been if it had been marketed by LAB. 

I haven't liked any of the LAB Putters I've tried. If you do like them, that's great. But please put down the Kool-Aid: Don't join the cult. 

[iacas]

Yeah, their experiences with the Edel stuff does NOT match my own. Golfers shouldn't need to practice alignment, and golfers can't align a line on a ball very accurately either. Just a bunch of hooey in those posts up there, IMO and experience.

[Ty_Webb]

I'm inclined to agree - I used to putt with a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 and to aim it straight, it had to look like it was about a foot right from 10 feet. I switched to a mallet (Odyssey Eleven I have now) and I can aim that far more easily. What looks straight is straight. I did watch a video with a coach on youtube who was suggesting that your eye position relative to the ball affects where you think the putter is aimed. So he would line up the putter for a player, then have them move around until it looked like the putter was aimed at the target and then that would be where he had them set up to it. I suspect that people move where they stand over time and that might cause the aiming of the putter to change over time. 

Funny thing is I asked Sam Hahn a very similar question myself in September and he gave quite a different response to this. LAB offers more alignment line options than any putter manufacturer I have ever seen (I guess outside of a handful of bespoke artisanal type places) - I wonder why they do that if the alignment lines don't make much of a difference.

[Markrobert]

If Edel fixed your aim and killed the need for a ball line, that’s massive. You’re dead right not to trust looks alone now, if you can’t aim it, it’s useless so I would say stick with what actually works

[TapluTaplu]

I thought this was an interesting discussion about someone asking about how lines impact aiming and LAB creator’s response. They were specifically asking about an Edel fitting. I don’t know what he was expecting posting this in a LAB forum.

Why would you want to have to “work” on your aiming or overcome an aiming issue? I go to the eye doctor every year and they’ve said for the past 10 years your eyesight hasn’t changed. Am I missing something when he says it “changes all the time”? 
 

I did an Edel fitting and went from aiming a foot right to spot on. I don’t use a line on the ball any longer and can just step up and putt knowing where I’m looking and where I’m aiming match. It changed my whole perspective on putters. I’d be fearful now of buying a putter just based off what I think looks good because I’d always be worried if I’m aiming where I’m looking.