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Hi everyone,

So I am in the market for new irons and everyone tells me I should get my lie angle changed to two degrees flat. I am 5'5 and have previously used a standard set off the rack. Now that I feel I have committed to playing golf, I want to get a better set. So here's my question: Being 5'5, would it help my game to play a flatter lie angle on my irons? Anyone else out there in the same height group as me and found playing a flatter iron help with improving the game. Thanks

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its really more based on your posture and how you naturally stand over a ball... its pretty important to get checked and if ordered through a manufacturer it is a free feature

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I'm 5'9" and when I played Callaways I played them at 2* flat. Most Callaways are a tad upright, and the graphite shafts are 38" on the 5 iron. Without seeing your swing, I woud probably recomend 2* flat as well. Obviously it depends on your setup. Given the club specs and your height, I would say go for it for sure. You can always reverse the lie change.

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Definitely get fit for them. Don't just do a static fit, make sure to get fit when you are actually hitting balls. Just holding the club the toe of my irons sits up but at contact during the actual swing my irons are perfect at 3 degrees upright. Also, make sure you get fit to the irons you are actually going to buy, not all companies have the same standard lie angle (Mizuno tends to be flatter than Cobra for example).

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Hi everyone,

I'm about 5'-7". When I purchased my Mizunos I was fitted for them. During the fitting session, the fellow had me hit balls with a 6-iron with impact tape on the face and sole of the club. I placed the order for MX-25 irons 2° flat at the standard length. A year later, I had the butts trimmed down 1/4" which I find to be the perfect length for me. This summer I invested in some lessons and am currently going through a swing rebuilding phase. My new swing is a little more upright now and I'm working on things to help me stay on plane. I've noticed that as I am striking the ball more consistently, my divots tend to be deeper in the toe area. I will try to confirm this with my instructor and seek advice if I should adjust the lie perhaps 1° upright. I may make these adjustments next spring when I get my lofts and lies checked. Here are some points to take into consideration: First of all I purchased Mizuno irons. Mizunos, I hear have some of the flattest lie angles in the industry. Perhaps this is because their target demographic is shorter? I have no definitive answer. The golf industry has no recognized standard on what constitutes a standard lie angle. 2° flat in Mizuno irons may be flatter or more upright than say 2° flat in Titleist irons. These lie angles are a mere reflection of the anthropometric research produced by their respective companies. Secondly, I saw an online video of Ralph Maltby discussing the importance of lie angles. He contends that at address the toe of the club should always be pointing slightly up and therefore the sole should not be flat when resting on the ground. This is due to the fact that at impact, the hands are in a higher position than they were during setup. Perhaps someone here can attest to that. Lastly, don't go on static fitting numbers (wrist/knuckles to floor height etc.) alone to determine your optimal fit. Our bodies are as different and unique as our swings. All the best.
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its really more based on your posture and how you naturally stand over a ball... its pretty important to get checked and if ordered through a manufacturer it is a free feature

Has a lot to do with your swing as well though.

I'm personally 1 inch over standard and 2 degrees upright. If you put a club in my hands that isn't those specs and I literally can't hit it well. I have played with some decent golfers who try to convince me that you don't need to be fit for golf clubs. I don't see how that is considering we aren't all the same size, we aren't all the same shape, even two guys with picture perfect swings will still have slight differences. If we don't all wear the same size shoes, gloves, hats, clothes, or even golf grips then why would we assume that we all need standard size clubs. The phrase "standard length, loft, and lie" basically is just the median in which most people of average height should be more or less be able to to play with them until they have a consistent enough swing to get fit. That "standard" doesn't mean its the standard that everyone should be playing with.

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Hi everyone,

You really should have it fitted by an experienced fitter.

However, if you're just curious as if your current set is working for you, just put a piece of the black electric tape on the bottom of the sole and hit some golf balls off a driving range mat. The brush mark on the tape will tell a lit of stories Not all makes have a standardized lie angle, so what works for you in this set may or may not apply to a different make.

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I'm finally going to get my irons fitted. I bought them off the rack and I can tell they are too upright for me. Getting fitted is my wintr project, as well as replacing my woods (and getting slightly shorter shafts). Santa is giving my wife a new set for Christmas, and she will be fitted for them.
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In a true custom fitting each club is adjusted for lie angle through the use of a lie board.

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