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on my back swing my elbow is flying, what is the best practice drill to keep my elbow down, and not cause slices

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Tuck a towel or an old glove under your right armpit and swing without letting it fall out onto the ground?

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the towel trick works also, there is one with rope but you need someone to help you, and what I did when I had this problem like 5 years ago, 1 i put the ball a little further from me, fixed my setum position and finally tried to shorten my swing for a faster tempo. Get tour tempo, the book, its really helpful, you'll love it.

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The towel or glove helps, but you may also be trying to take the club to far back with your arms causing the elbow to come out, hard to say without seeing the swing. try taking it back to the point the elbow starts coming out and stop the back swing their and make sure your cocking the wrist to put the club at parallel

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thanks for the advice going to work on it all week after work hope to have it worked out by the weekend

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This idea isn't a direct fix on your problem, but it could indirectly help...

Take an old shoebox or something with you to the range. Yes, you might look silly, but who cares. Place the shoebox down just to the outside of the ball so that you have about 1/4 inch between the toe of your club (when it's addressed behind the ball) and the box. Then, practice hitting the ball solidly without hitting the box. You'll probably nail the box a few times which means you're coming over the top and on an outside-in swing path.

Try to feel as if you're making a rounded turn with your shoulders (while keeping that lower body quiet) and visualize the clubhead coming towards the ball on an inside path, squaring the clubhead at the ball, and then closing the clubhead on the way through as it moves away from the box. That'll get you back on an inside-square swing path and getting the sensation of trying to miss that box could help you get away from the elbow thing (although its tough to tell without actually watching you).

Nevertheless, its an interesting drill and it really does improve your ball striking. Its a "dirt cheap" replication of the Nicklaus Inside Approach gizmo.

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Take an old shoebox or something with you to the range. Yes, you might look silly, but who cares. Place the shoebox down just to the outside of the ball so that you have about 1/4 inch between the toe of your club (when it's addressed behind the ball) and the box. Then, practice hitting the ball solidly without hitting the box. You'll probably nail the box a few times which means you're coming over the top and on an outside-in swing path.

I use a shoebox everytime on the range unless I have someone/something (video) to monitor my swing. It's just not worth swinging if you aren't on the right path. I hit the box about 30 times the first time that I tried...frustrating to say the least. It doesn't have to be a shoebox but make sure that it is of substantial size so there is no cheating. Something that is too low to the ground will still allow you to come outside.

Just to add to this drill... If the box has a flip top lid (FootJoy does and so does Nike Golf), flip the lid toward you keeping the box in the same place. Allow the lid to bend back to the point that it is almost parallel with the ground. You should barely be able to see the ball at this point. Not only must you swing on an inside path, you also are forced to keep your hands low through impact.

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So I got the Singsetter a while ago and it has helped me tremendously. I am really hitting my irons farther and higher. I can really tag my hybrids.
One thing I have always done is slice my driver to much. I think, but I am not sure that it has to do with not pronating through my swing? Anyone have any drills that could help me get my pronation down?
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