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Thanks for making this a very informative thread everyone. This is a thread that many new golfers (like me) can benefit from.

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You guys are great! Thanks for the tips.

Yup as a rightie.

As a leftie it will be flat right wrist bent left wrist throughout the swing. Try this as a drill AS A LEFTIE..... Put your glove on your right hand as usual. During your takeaway the patch on your hand should still face the target as you pull the club back with your left forearm. Then your forearm will fan and move upward bringing the club up the plane towards your back shoulder. At this point the patch begins to point directly away from you and more and more towards up as you fan backwards. Throughout your back swing the club face is opening more, and more and more until it reaches the top. When you return to the ball the club face will be wide open so to close your club face you need to wait until your hands PASS OVER the ball and then let your right wrist uncock. If you do it properly you should feel a big transfer of energy to the ball/ground and the clubface will be square again. Basically feel like you are slapping the back of your right hand into the ball. Club hits the ball first then takes a divot after impacting the ball. If you do it right the patch will once again face your target at impact which means the club face is getting back to square at impact which means generally straight shots. Keys to remember. All the swing really is is a lever assembly. The longer the lever the more power. The more area your grip covers on the club the shorter the lever. The shorter the lever the less LEVERAGE. Your top hand is your power transferring hand. Your bottom hand (and to be specific the index finger on your bottom hand) is only there to sense the club, where it is at, what it is doing. It is not there to assist in movement at all. Why put your whole hand on the club if it isn't doing anything other than monitoring the club path and angle of attack? Your top hand controls EVERYTHING and the more power you give to your bottom hand the more it wants to become an active worker rather than an inactive supervisor. If you are hitting it fat you are either activating that bottom hand and throwing the club away at the ground or you are simply uncocking that wrist a little too early. Good luck

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I think I can learn something here (without paying any money at least). I typically put the ball about one hand behind the center of my stance with short irons and the grip is pointing at my front hip on my trousers where the crease ends. This is my surefire way of putting the clubface on the ball before it gets to the turf. Is there anything wrong with this. It's consistent, but about ten to fifteen yards shorter than what most people say an iron should hit. Thoughts?

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I live in the city, so it is very hard for me to hit golf balls on a consistent basis ( even though I have a fairly large fenced-in yard. ) I can actually hit my sand wedge a very nice distance on my normal swing, and it is the only club I can truly swing in my yard. I have a sand pit in the middle of my back-yard, and I pretend that it is the 'green.' I don't have a lot of trouble getting the ball airborne, but I can't get the ball to raise very much ( when I hit the ball with the descending stroke. ) Is it okay to hit the ball square on a short pitch or chip shot? The logical answer is, do whatever produces your best golf shot, but I want to do it right.

I am also not sure what a flop shot is. Can anybody link me to a page or video that accurately describes the shot? My sand wedge is my strongest club so far, and I look to make it even better.

Thanks Again -

Brent

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I think I can learn something here (without paying any money at least). I typically put the ball

If it's consistent but short - use more club.

Most people would do anything to be consistent. Cheers

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