Project x or flighted rifle shafts

[Justin]

Depends on what you can do.  Rifles and PX are the SAME THING... a "flighted" Rifle is the same as a "flighted" PX.  THe only difference is the name.  When True Temper bought Rifle (formerly Brunswick) all they did was change the name.  This is according to Golf magazine (who'd get flogged and have advertising dollars taken from them if it wasn't true), in an article about Phil Mickelson.  He went to TT, worried they'd change things after their purchase (he's been a Rifle/PX guy for what seems like forever).  They reassured him nothing would change, which is why he stayed with their shafts.

Now, there IS a difference between a "flighted" model and a non-"flighted".  The bend point (BP; also known as Kick Point) lowers as the shaft gets longer in a "flighted" model.  In non-"flighted" models, the BP stays constant.  These nominal changes allegedly allow a golfer to hit a higher shot with a 4i, and a lower, more penetrating (and higher-spinning) shot with a PW.  All this little change does is lower or raise a club's effective loft at impact.  A low-BP shaft, coupled with a 23* head, can make the effective loft at impact 23.1+ degrees at impact (depending on the amount of bend).  Obviously, the ball will fly higher.  The high-BP/more spin isn't that magical, either: the high-BP will make the effective loft lower: in essence, taking a 47* PW and turning it into something less.  It'll obviously fly lower than "normal", thanks to the decrease in loft.  It'll still spin a bunch, because there's still a bunch of loft there.

If you're that torn, and these are your only two options, get the less expensive set.  From there, learn how to play the ball up (increase launch) or back (decrease launch) in you stance, for the same effect.

[Gioguy21]

to the op, if you'd be interested i have a set of 8 PX 6.0 one time pulls...pm me if you'd like to know more or are interested...or anyone else for that matter lol

[handlez42]

ive been considering new shafts because my nippon 950gh regular flex hits the ball a bit high in my Staff FG tours and because they are designed to hit the ball mid-high trajectory controlling trajectory is quite difficult. hitting my knockdown i have to club up quite a bit and barely swing as to ride out the flex and kp to getting the ball up just right. have been considering PX graphite in my driver and tihen it caught my eye about the PX graphite as well as the PX steel iron and rifle iron shafts.

anyways...ive heard the PX are quite shuttering-harsh unless hit pinpoint perfect. and ive also heard the rifles are truly smooth. either way i want something with splended tracjectory control but not too much more weight in comparison to my 950gh's.

the flighted seems like a very interesting concept for the rifles.

but im also pretty interested in the PX shafts that were mentioned earlier as "regular" flex but not for the weak swing in mind.

ive been playing for 2-3 years and have been excelling in my swing speed now that my body is getting used to the motions as well as creating better lag.

do either of these shafts have a lighter weight with still a mid-regular to stiff type flex point?

i like the weight of my 950gh shafts because as nippon suggests they are to be lightweight like graphite in comparison to most shafts but still have a bit more weight for steel-like control. and it truly feels like a wonderful medium. just can keep the ball down with these.

[Laws of Woo]

Originally Posted by handlez42

anyways...ive heard the PX are quite shuttering-harsh unless hit pinpoint perfect. and ive also heard the rifles are truly smooth. either way i want something with splended tracjectory control but not too much more weight in comparison to my 950gh's.

the flighted seems like a very interesting concept for the rifles.

do either of these shafts have a lighter weight with still a mid-regular to stiff type flex point?

i like the weight of my 950gh shafts because as nippon suggests they are to be lightweight like graphite in comparison to most shafts but still have a bit more weight for steel-like control. and it truly feels like a wonderful medium. just can keep the ball down with these.

I play PX and I've had no problems with harshness. More often then not, the people that complain about them being harsh are playing the PX in too stiff a flex. They'll come from an DG S300 or KBS Stiff and expect to be able to hit the 6.0, but in reality the 5.5 is the stiff, and the 6.0 is stiff+.

I have flighted shafts and I like them, they feel great and I get nice distance and trajectory.

I know PX has a lightweight model, the PXi I believe, but I haven't hit that so I can't comment on the feel. They're heavier than the Nippons, but lighter than the standard PX.

[LuciusWooding]

Do they even still make the rifles? I can find them in a few places, but certain flexes and specs are hard to come by. RP took down the rifle specs from their site, even though TT's fitting system still recommends rifles. Looks like they might have discontinued them, though I don't know officially.

[Harmonious]

True Temper has discontinued the "old" Rifles, but will be coming out with a new Rifle shaft soon.  This, according to the True Temper steel shaft engineer I spoke with at the PGA Show last Friday.

[WUTiger]

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Originally Posted by cmay119 I had this same decision when I was going with the iron set in my signature. I finally went with the Flighted Rifles because I wasn't sure that I could get the Project X Shafts in a Regular flex (I only have a 95-100MPH Driver swing speed). I liked the overall feel of the Flighted Rifles better so I went with them instead.

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Originally Posted by cmay119 Hmmm, why would RP even offer the PX in a Regular flex if it's not meant for that type of player? Seems peculiar as I could only see it hurting a slow swingers game in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Everardo

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You can get the Project X shaft in a regular but it wasn't designed with a slower swing speed in mind because of the weight and kick point. ...

I can make a partial comparison. In 2010 season, I played with X20 irons with Uniflex shafts (106-121 gr.). Last season, I played X20 Tours with PX rifle-flighted 5.0 shafts (108-120 gr.).

In comparison, the Uniflex was OK, but didn't have that good a feel. The PX R.F had a livelier feel, and the flighting gives a little boost on 3 and 4 iron launch, and I can hit them again as long as I keep my head still. Also, the PX shafts feel "livelier" than the Uniflex.

( Note: 2011 was my best season in a long time on Par 3s. But, I had a sprained R wrist and was wild with driver, hence a jump in HDCP).

In general, the PX Rifle-Flighted give higher launch angle on long irons, and lower launch angle on the short irons. The PX Rifle give a slight boost on launch for all irons, but a lower max height on ball flight. Also, the PX group has been recommended for someone with a quick start to the downswing. The Rifle shafts w/o the PX name have their own set of descriptors.

You might want to look at a comparison chart of Dynamic Golf, Project X, and KBS shaft families. The grid compares various shafts on FCM and weight, and includes some hard-step and soft-step variations. sia.golf posted it few days ago.

http://thesandtrap.com/t/55283/help-with-iron-shaft-decision#post_675482

Also, go to the TT/PX and KBS websites. The sites describe the details of each of the shafts and what they are designed for. You can get a better idea of what to expect if you do a little research.

One factor is shaft weight. With somewhat lighter shafts I could pick up some clubhead speed. At the St. Louis Golf Expo, I got best clubhead speed/control balance with shafts in the 95-105 gram range.

[LBlack14]

Cally's Uniflex and PX are 2 different animals entirely. Apples and oranges.