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Somebody explain to me in simple terms what this club does. Does the 3H replace the 3I? and so forth...
Or does it fill a gap.

I read where some people say they add this club to their bag and some say they replaced their 3 and 4 iron with a hybrid.

What do it do...........

Driver: 9.5 Titleist 910, Fairway Woods: G2 3 wood and 5 woods
Irons: Titleist CB712
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Posted
Yeah. You also have corresponding lofts. (21 for 3i, 18 for 2i etc..) And those lofts change depending on the manufactuer. But the main reason people use hybrids as long iron replacements is because they are much easier to hit. Especially out of rough and bad lies.
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Posted
Especially out of rough and bad lies.

Why do you think they better out of the rough?

Personally I like my irons much better in the rough. With the hybrid, I feel like I am sliding on top of the grass and get more gras between the clubface and the ball.

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Driver: Superquad 9.5°
5W: 2008 Burner 18°
3H: Idea Pro Gold 20°4H: 2008 Burner Rescue 22°Irons: MP52 R300 5-PWedges: Vokey SM 50.08, 54.11, 58.04, 60.11Putter: Itsy Bitsy SpiderBall: TP Red


Posted
I've always wondered this too. How would one decide which club to replace which. I would assume a 3h of the same loft as a 3i would go further due to more mass in the head and a thinner face similar to a driver. Is there some sort of convention for trading out clubs like a 4h replaces a 3i or a 4i? Or get a hybrid with the same, lower, higher loft than the club you are replacing? Thanks for the info!

Josh

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Why do you think they better out of the rough?

You awnsered your own question in a way. You sweep a long iron or a hybrid, and a shallow swing path in the rough is not always the best for getting the ball out. The hybrid will glide easier through the rough than a long iron would. The clubhead wont decelerate in the grass as much.

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Posted
They're only to replace irons and not woods, right?

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Posted
They're only to replace irons and not woods, right?

You can use a hybrid to replace a FW as well. Ive seen hybrids lofted as low as 14 and 15 degrees.

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Posted
They're only to replace irons and not woods, right?

They are usually a bit shorter than a FW with the same loft and therefore not as hard to hit.

A common 'duel' is between 5W and 2/3H

In my Tour Combo Bag:

Driver: Superquad 9.5°
5W: 2008 Burner 18°
3H: Idea Pro Gold 20°4H: 2008 Burner Rescue 22°Irons: MP52 R300 5-PWedges: Vokey SM 50.08, 54.11, 58.04, 60.11Putter: Itsy Bitsy SpiderBall: TP Red


Posted
You awnsered your own question in a way. You sweep a long iron or a hybrid, and a shallow swing path in the rough is not always the best for getting the ball out. The hybrid will glide easier through the rough than a long iron would. The clubhead wont decelerate in the grass as much.

Makes sense. I guess it also depends on the type of rough you are dealing with.

In my Tour Combo Bag:

Driver: Superquad 9.5°
5W: 2008 Burner 18°
3H: Idea Pro Gold 20°4H: 2008 Burner Rescue 22°Irons: MP52 R300 5-PWedges: Vokey SM 50.08, 54.11, 58.04, 60.11Putter: Itsy Bitsy SpiderBall: TP Red


Posted
To answer your question, for most players that use them, hybrids replace the long irons (they don't fill a gap) There are exceptions--when the TM rescue came out it was designed/marketed to fill a gap/to be used as a utility club

The second part of your question doesn't have a straight forward answer. I suppose, it depends on what you define as "the classic set up" Some might say Driver, 3w, 5w, 2i-->PW then SW and putter would be "the classic setup" Depending on the manufacturer, the 3H might end up replacing the 2i instead of the 3i. Adams and Nickent (the two leading hybrid manufacturers) have lower lofts than other manufacturers. Nickent for example--1H 14*, 2H 17*, 3H 19* So, the way I look at it, their 1H would replace the 3W, the 2H the 5W, the 3H the 2i.

Now, are hybrids easier to hit than the clubs they replace. In general, yes. Most pros these days have a hybrid or two in the bag replacing a long iron. Hybrids are more versatile and have larger room for error.

Are hybrids for everyone, no, but most golfers would benefit from hybrids.

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Posted
That helps, thanks.....This is a simple game right?

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Posted
My hybrids were a pretty good match for iron replacement 4H for 4I, 3H for 3I.

They are a bit more versatile, for me, than the irons they replace.

Shots from hardpan lies are much improved. Fairway bunker shots are much improved....especially the 4H. That club has been a lifesaver from the fairway bunkers I find myself in at times....it gets the ball up and over the lip quickly and still eats up respectable distance.

Shots from the rough....remain shots from the rough. I have found that I will get better results from the hybrids by focusing on hitting down on the ball. I'm able to pull off shots that I would never be able to do with a fairway wood.

Are they perfect for everyone.....of course not. My father is a "sweeper" and he really does much better with his fairway woods. I'm more of a "digger" and these hybrids work better for me.

My ten year old son is just getting into the game and already his favorite stick is his 4hybrid, and with good reason.
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Burner Superfast 3 & 5 woods (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-4.8)
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Posted
This is a simple game right?

Yes, it is really simple, and equipment is a no-brainer

In my Tour Combo Bag:

Driver: Superquad 9.5°
5W: 2008 Burner 18°
3H: Idea Pro Gold 20°4H: 2008 Burner Rescue 22°Irons: MP52 R300 5-PWedges: Vokey SM 50.08, 54.11, 58.04, 60.11Putter: Itsy Bitsy SpiderBall: TP Red


Posted
would anyone recommend to use hybrid-irons instead of a few hybrids and the rest irons. an example is Callaway® FT i-brid Irons

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Posted
My best friend used to have the Bazooka set that was all hybrids. Even the sw was hybrid looking. He still sucked playing with them, but got the ball in the air easier.

I'd say unless you have trouble getting the ball in the air with a seven/eight iron, you want the workability of a traditional iron in the shorter clubs.

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Adams Fast10 15* 3W
A2OS 3H-7iron 60* LW
8iron Precept Tour Premium cb
9iron and 45* PW 50* GW 56* SW m565 and 455 VfoilPutter Anser Belly Putter Ball in order of preference TPblack e5 V2  AD333


Posted
I love my hybrids... I have the 3, 4 and 5 Hybrid and my irons go from 6-PW. My 3 hybrid is very powerful. I have hit it about 220 before and I know it can be hit even further. My 5 hybrid hits around 120 and when I used it on the course, it came in very good use in the rough.

I have not even hit my 4H before, but I see people talking very good about it, so I will break it out the bag my next trip to the range.
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3-Wood: 2007 Burner 15°
Hybrid: Walter Hagen T3 (-3 23°), (-4 26°) (-5 29°)
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